Trijicon TR24 Accupoint Recticle Options

[User Name]

How fast 7 yards and under (with sunlight) is the TR24 triangle? Is it even approaching an Aimpoint?

[Alaskapopo]

Its equal in my experience doing some close in shooting drills. See for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFlJVVZDx68
Aimpoint M4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwtbL...eature=related
TR24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNzl_MOdG0o

The Aimpoint is side mounted in a Larue off set mount. It is a T1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNk-hHxFJkc

Noveske with Irons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5rbc56-eQs
Noveske with TA 33 Acog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z38dbwxEWEE
Noveske with T1 again.


here are the results in word form.
5.56 AR's

Colt 6920 Aimpoint (Flash hider no comp)

TIME
1. 2.87
2. 3.08
3. 2.79
4. 2.75
5. 2.87
Average 2.87

HITS

T1 8A 2C
T2 9A 1C
T3 8A 2C

Total hits 25A 5C

GUN Noveske N4 carbine Aimpoint T1 used.

TIME

1. 2.69
2. 3.07
3. 2.58
4. 2.58
5. 2.29 (one shot not fired so I am not averaging it in for the time)

Average time for first 4 strings 2.73 seconds.

HITS

T1 8 Alpha 2 Charlie
T2 9 Alpha 1 Charlie
T3 4 Alpha 5 Charlie (one shot was not fired)

TOTAL HITS: 21 A 8C (one round not fired)

N4 just ACOG (TA33 fixed 3 power)

TIME

1. 2.64
2. 2.67
3. 2.80
4. 2.59
5. 2.63

Average time 2.67

HITS

T1 8A 2C
T2 7A 3C
T3 8A 2C

Total hits : 23 A 7C



Gun Larue Stealth Rifle Swarovski Z6i set at 1x

TIME

1. 2.52
2. 2.59
3. 2.50
4. 2.56
5. 2.69

Average Time 2.57

HITS

T1 9A 1C
T2 10A
T3 8A 2C

TOTAL Hits: 27 A 3 C

Gun Saber Defense AR15 A2 (IRONS)

1. 2,57
2. 2.44
3. 2.49
4. 2.62
5. 2.66

Average time 2,56

HITS

T1 9A 1C
T2 9A 1D
T3 7A 3C

TOTAL hits: 25 A 4 C 1D

.308's

Gun AR10 carbine Aimpoint M4 2moa dot no muzzle brake just a huge flash hider.

1. 3.17
2. 2.88
3. 2.84
4. 2.72
5. 2.83
Average time 2.89

HITS

T1 4 A 2C 3D 1M
T2 9A 1C
T3 8A 2C

Total hits: 21 A 5 C 3D 1 M (miss)

(Did so bad the first day I tried the AR10 again. I had to slow down to get my hits)

AR10 12-1-09

Time

1. 3.95
2. 4.04
3. 3.42
4. 3.22
5. 3.33
6. 3.03

Average: 3.50

Hits
T1 10 A 2 C
T2 11 A 1 C
T3 8 A 4C

Total 29A 7 C


AK47's

Gun Saiga AK47 Reddot (Aimpoint ML2)

1. 2.91
2. 3.28
3. 2.71
4. 2.71
5. 2.67

Average time 2.86

HITS

T1 9A 1C
T2 10A
T3 9A 1C

Total hits: 28 A 2C


MAK 90 Krebs (Apature rear sight)

TIME:

1. 2.88
2. 2.87
3. 2.89
4. 2.08
5. 3.05
Average time 2.75

HITS

T1 9A 1C
T2 10A
T3 7A 3C

TOTAL hits 26A 4C



PISTOLS

GUN STI Edge in 40sw. My limited gun for USPSA. Caliber 40sw.


TIME
1. 2.88
2. 3.01
3. 3.10
4. 3.10
5. 2.70

Average time for all 5 strings is 2.95

HITS

T1 6 A 3C 1B
T2 7 A 2C 1D
T3 9A 1C

TOTAL 22 A’s 7 B&C’s 1 D hit

Glock 17

1. 3.38
2. 3.13
3. 3.37
4. 3.46
5. 3.15
Average 3.30

HITS

T1 9A 1C
T2 5A 3C 2D
T3 7A 1C 1D 1 Miss

Total 21A 5C 3D 1Miss


CONCLUSION.

I have come to some conclusions. For me at least the rifle is always faster and more accurate than a pistol except in the case of the AR10. I had to slow down to control the recoil with it. But at the .223 and 7.62x39 level of recoil the rifles were better. I affirmed that a muzzle brake does work. My Colt times with the Vortex were worse than all my other 5.56 guns and they all wear muzzle brakes. Even my AK times were better and they have muzzle brakes. I learned that Irons at 7 yards are faster or at least as fast as any of my optics. A red dot sight helps in low light but its not faster in normal conditions. I still recommend optics but I don't believe the hype that they always make you faster. It depends on the range I believe. I had similar results in an experiment I did a few years back testing irons and various optics on one rifle. The irons were a tad faster at 15 yards. They were slower for me at 25, 50 and 100. But for close quarters work I believe Irons give up nothing in the way of speed in normal lighting conditions. Kurt was right about Irons being fast up close. There I said it. Like most type A personalities I hate admitting when I am wrong.

VIDEOS of yours truly.
MAK 90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVSNdlDMpiM

Saiga AK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j3i_n7LuP0 (Shooting)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhFbYB55mis (targets)


AR10 first day when I was faster but sucked on hits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMyOusJghBw

AR10 on the second day (when I slowed down a bit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK3b6Fif-xE

Colt 6920 Aimpoint

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFlJVVZDx68

Noveske (using Aimpoint T1 in Larue off set mount)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi7DKYdU6Q8

Noveske (using ACOG)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksh8WqmXNIY

Larue Stealth with Swarovski
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyAJAC1-Ufs

Saber Defense A2 (Irons)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDBqlNeoJG8 Shooting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721rZXLU1dg Targets

STI EDGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmNrsFoq2c8


12-8-09 Range Report Guns used Noveske N4 with Ta 33 ACOG, T1 Aimpoint and Troy sights. Also a DPMS M4, Glock 17, Spikes 22 lr AR and Browning Buckmark.

Shooter S13 (one of my patrol officers) Gun DPMS M4 Target APD DOC qualification target.

Targets were placed 7 yards from the shooter each target was set 3 yards apart.

Time

1. 3.56
2. 3.39
3. 3.09
4. 2.93
5. 2.98
Average time 3.19

Hits

27 A 3C


Shooter S13 Gun Glock 17

Time

1. 4.41
2. 4.56
3. 4.56
4. 4.50
5. 4.00
Average time 4.41

Hits

20 A 8 C 2 D

Shooter S13 Gun Noveske with Irons

Time

1. 3.89
2. 3.41
3. 3.39
4. 3.51
5. 3.39

Average time 3.52

Hits

30 A

Shooter S13 Gun Noveske with Aimpoint T1

Time

1. 3.50
2. 3.12
3. 2.93
4. 3.07
5. 2.91
Average Time 3.11

Hits 29 A 1 Delta

Shooter S13 Gun Noveske with TA 33 ACOG

Time
1. 4.84
2. 4.32
3. 4.00
4. 3.53
5. 3.32
Average Time 4.00

Hits 29 A 1 C

Shooter S13 Gun Spikes 22LR M4 with Aimpoint.

Time

1. 3.73
2. 3.27
3. 2.89
4. 2.70
5. 2.93
Average time 3.10

Hits 29 A 1 C

Shooter S13 Gun Browning Buck Mark Pistol with Tasco Pro Point Red Dot sight.

Time

1. 4.02
2. 3.85
3. 4.12
4. 4.52
5. 3.52
Average time 4.00

Hits 27 A 3 C


Shooter Me Gun Spikes 22 M4

Time
1. 2.55
2. 2.69
3. 2.69
4. 2.55
5. 2.85
Average Time 2.66

Hits 29 A 1 C

Shooter Me Gun Browning Buck Mark 22 pistol with Red Dot sight

Time

1. 3.16
2. 3.48
3. 3.36
4. 3.47
5. 3.15
Average time 3.32

Hits 28 A 2 C


Shooter Me gun Noveske Troy Back Up Irons

Time
1. 3.09
2. 2.63
3. 2.67
4. 2.74
5. 2.61
Average Time 2.75
Hits 29 A 1 C

Shooter Me Gun Noveske Optic Aimpoint T1 Red dot

Time
1. 2.79
2. 2.85
3. 2.88
4. 3.01
5. 2.43
Average Time 2.79
Hits 25 A 5 C

Shooter Me Gun Noveske Optic TA33 ACOG

Time
1. 3.43
2. 2.61
3. 2.64
4. 2.77
5. 3.06
Average Time 2.90
HITS 29 A 1 Delta

Summary

Pistol Scores

Me 22 Pistol with Red dot
Time 3.32
Hits 28A 2 C


Rifle Scores

Spikes 22 LR
Time 2.66
Hits 29A 1C

Noveske Irons
Time 2.75
Hits 29A 1 C

Noveske Red Dot
Time 2.79
Hits 25 A 5 C

Noveske ACOG
Time 2.90
Hits 29A 1 D

SHOOTER S13

Pistol

Glock 17
Time 4.41
Hits 20A 8C 2D

Browning 22 Pistol with Red Dot
Time 4.00
Hits 27A 3C

Rifles

DPMS Duty gun Iron Sights
Time 3.19
Hits 27A 3C

Noveske Irons
Time 3.52
Hits 30A

Noveske Aimpoint
Time 3.11
Hits 29A 1D

Noveske ACOG
Time 4.00
Hits 29A 1C

Spikes 22lr AR15 with Red dot
Time 3.10
Hits 29A 1C


S13 has had a lot more handgun training than he has had training with his patrol rifle. Yet he did much better in both time and accuracy with his patrol rifle.


12-22-09 More tests.

Stag AR15 carbine. Irons

1. 2.80
2. 2.89
3. 2.54
4. 2.72
5. 2.59
Average 2.70

Hits 30 A.

Wilson 45

1. 3.53
2. 3.55
3. 3.51
4. 3.50
5. 3.45
6. 3.53
Average 3.51

Hits 36 A

STI 9mm

1. 3.45
2. 3.42
3. 3.02
4. 4.15
5. 3.52
Average 3.51

Hits 25 A 5 C

Glock 17

1. 3.52
2. 3.43
3. 3.19
4. 3.54
5. 3.09
Average 3.35

Hits 26 A 3C 1 D

Sig 228

1. 3.45
2. 3.46
3. 3.81
4. 3.64
5. 4.17
Average 3.70

Hits 29 A 1C

Smith 19 357 mag full house loads.

1. 4.06
2. 4.54
3. 4.12
4. 3.99
5. 4.41
Average 4.22

Smith 25 converted to 45 ACP

1. 3.92
2. 3.94
3. 4.52
4. 4.43
5. 4.30
Average 4.22

Hits 26A 3C 1Miss



SEAN

Stag AR
1. 7.84
2. 9.02
3. 6.95
4. 5.66
5. 5.51
6. 6.98
7. 5.90
8. 5.64
9. 5.24
10. 5.97
Average 6.47

Hits 56A 4C

SEAN Ruger SR9

1. 7.64
2. 9.64
3. 10.19
4. 8.91
5. 9.36
6. 7.11
7. 7.72
8. 8.86
9. 8.82
10. 9.94
Average 8.82

HITS 28A 24 C 7D 1 Miss

Walther P 22

1. 6.71
2. 7.82
3. 7.57
4. 6.95
5. 6.92
6. 9.07
7. 7.47
8. 7.72
9. 5.97
10. 6.78
Average 7.30

Hits 56A 4C

SEAN Glock 17

1. 6.78
2. 8.19
3. 7.16
4. 7.75
5. 7.51
Average 7.48

Hits 28A 2C

12-26-09

Scott. Glock 34

Time
1. 3.18
2. 2.88
3. 2.92
4. 2.85
5. 2.94
Average 2.95

Hits 27A 3 C

Scott RRA .223 with Meopta

1. 3.84
2. 3.54
3. 3.60
4. 3.06
5. 3.35
6. 3.73
7. 3.67
8. 3.23
9. 3.16
10. 3.20
Average 3.43

Hits 52A 7 C 1D.

Pat Noveske N4 Aimpoint T1

1. 2.44
2. 2.45
3. 2.41
4. 2.42
5. 2.27
Average 2.40
Hits 28A 2C

Pat Wilson CQB 45 acp

1. 3.49
2. 3.36
3. 3.53
4. 3.53
5. 3.42
Average 3,47

Hits 27 A 2C 1D

Pat RRA
1. 2.93
2. 3.00
3. 2.59
4. 2.52
5. 2.59
Average 2.73
Hits 29A 1C

1-19-10 Alaskacop and me with new scope on Colt and Daniel Defense

Me With Colt and TR 24

1. 2.50
2. 2.21
3. 2.43
4. 2.21
5. 2.41
6. 2.57
7. 2.65
8. 2.53
9. 2.57
10. 2.61
Average 2.46
Hits 49 A 1 C

Me with Daniel Defense

1. 2.82
2. 2.86
3. 2.82
4. 2.91
5. 2.76
Average 2.83
Hits 29 A 1 C

Alaskacop556

MSAR (STG556 Aug clone)

Time
1. 3.42
2. 3.00
3. 2.68
4. 2.83
5. 3.06
6. 3.11
7. 2.80
8. 3.18
9. 3.08
10. 3.15
Average 3.03

Hits 59 A 1 C

Alaskacop556 Pistol (Les Baer Thunder Ranch Special in 45 acp)

Time
1. 4.74
2. 4.54
3. 4.33
4. 3.81
5. 3.79
Average 4.24

Hits 16A 14C

[Steve]

How fast 7 yards and under (with sunlight) is the TR24 triangle? Is it even approaching an Aimpoint?

At a class this year in AZ i did a SxSxS so to speak 7 yards hammer pair from contact ready

with TR24g
T-1
EOxps

times across the board from buzzer were .87 with all three
singer not the song

Not a 1 of them was any faster or slower for me i have a lot of time on each

[ucrt]

Does anyone know where I can see the reticle dimensions (subtensions) for the Trijicon TR24?
Thanks

[TehLlama]

I sincerely wish this model existed - I'd buy one without hesitation if the cost was under $1500.

Got bored with paint...

[Alaskapopo]

I sincerely wish this model existed - I'd buy one without hesitation if the cost was under $1500.

Got bored with paint...

Dude if that were real it would rock. Send this pic to Trijicon.
Pat

[vicious_cb]

I sincerely wish this model existed - I'd buy one without hesitation if the cost was under $1500.

Got bored with paint...

I dont see the point in the 12,3 and 9 o'clock lines with hash marks.

[JSantoro]

There's an endless number of points to them.

-Reference marks for those instances you want to induce a lateral/vertical hold if you don't want/don't have time to dial in a correction.

-Reference marks with which you might be able to measure an object of known width/height size (ex: most car wheels are 15"-17" in diameter) utilizing a known stadia measurement so that you can figure out an unknown distance to target, thereby allowing you to dial in come-ups or induce a hold with the vertically oriented stadia lines.

-Reference marks with which you can direct another shooter/indirect fire, etc. onto whatever you're looking at from a known, fixed reference point. Vertically and horizontally.

You can do more with a more complicated reticle pattern (if it's sensibly set up), at the cost of a somewhat more cluttered FOV.

[UsnRoberts]

Green triangle ftw

[Skang]

thinking about getting TR24G for my first optic.

Does eye relief changes by switching 1-4x?