OBAMA'S CIVIL DEFENSE FORCE, OR NEW AMERICAN GESTAPO

[Crusader]

I posted this on 1911.

I heard Obama talking about this prior to his "Coronation". "All 18-25 year old will be required to do 3 months of mandatory training and then serve in the Civil Defense Force that in Obama's words "needs to be as strong as the US Military".
Link to podcast below where Rahm Emanuel speaks to that leftist Rag the NY Times.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=e4qG6UIr8z

Need I say more? WTH have I been doing for 20 years in the Army? Guess he'll fire us and have the Black Panthers or Nation of Islam take over? LOL

[Gutshot John]

Uhm no. The Gestapo was a very different type of organization.

Thank you for offering it up though.

[Spooky130]

Have you seen the "average" 18-25 year old lately? Most are not inclined to make much effort towards anything. Could you see some kid who was poorly raised, was part of a gang, and has no education doing much more than causing trouble for the people who are now in charge of them? Sure, it sounds scary but the reality doesn't pan out too well...

[BVickery]

we also run into some possible constitutional issues as well.

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

As far as the draft, I think it was a very different set of circumstances for service in an armed force protecting other citizens against a perceived foreign threat.

[texasrangers]

No it wasn't. Freeing the slaves is not why the North invaded the South. This is from Abraham Lincoln's inaguaral address:

"I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that—

I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.

Those who nominated and elected me did so with full knowledge that I had made this and many similar declarations and had never recanted them;"

It's in the second or third paragraph.

The thirteenth amendment, contrary to SCOTUS decisions otherwise, was not only to ban slavery, but to ban conscription, which is, in its purest sense, is involuntary servitude. This is because Lincoln, in his infinite, despotic wisdom, enacted the first conscription this country had ever seen (along with suspending habeas corpus and putting Martial Law into effect.) The man just couldn't stand losing all the profits from souther tariffs, so he invaded, got his ass kicked, changed commanders, got his ass kicked some more, and was eventually forced to start enslaving people to fight in his hellish army of aggression. All the states that seceded from the Union, by the way, had absolutely every right to do so. That being said, slavery is an abhorrent institution and I am very glad it was abolished, but that is not what the 13th amendment is solely about. Sorry if it got off topic, but I feel the points I made are interconnected.

[Gentoo]

Have you seen the "average" 18-25 year old lately? Most are not inclined to make much effort towards anything. Could you see some kid who was poorly raised, was part of a gang, and has no education doing much more than causing trouble for the people who are now in charge of them? Sure, it sounds scary but the reality doesn't pan out too well...

I've thought the same thing. Unless all this civil defense force is going to do is sit around playing xbox and editing myspace / youtube pages, I don't see it going anywhere...

[citizensoldier16]

The thirteenth amendment, contrary to SCOTUS decisions otherwise, was not only to ban slavery, but to ban conscription, which is, in its purest sense, is involuntary servitude.

That may be the case, but like you said, SCOTUS says otherwise. Reference BUTLER v. PERRY, 240 U.S. 328 (1916). I'm a proud Libertarian, but I do agree that required military service in a time of DECLARED war is not only acceptable, but should be viewed as the duty of every American.

"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation." ~Gen. Douglas MacArthur

[Gutshot John]

Compelled military service is NOT slavery. Slavery is by definition about PRIVATE ownership of a slave and compelling labor for profit.

Military service is neither permanent, profitable nor private.

Nothing in the 13th forbids military conscription and neither the founding fathers, nor the people that crafted the 13th would have seen it in that way.

[OH58D]

Obama is talking about a Civilian force that is equal in power and just as well funded as the Armed Forces. In fact, Barack and wife have already started such a group, and it has been around since 1992.

It's called Public Allies, and there are chapters in all 50 States. It's a 13 month long paid training program which teaches you how to be a Community Organizer. In fact, there are three chapters in New Mexico already; Albuquerque, Santa Fe and Taos.

Community Organizing was first created by Saul "The Red" Alinsky back in the 1960s.
Obama has certainly read Alinsky's book, Rules for Radicals, which discusses the evolution of the bomb throwing anarchist from dirty hippie to elected official. Obama's Public Allies group teaches this sort of thing.

See if you can GOOGLE Obama's July 2nd speech in Colorado Springs when he discussed the Civilian National Security Force. At one time you could find it on YouTube.

OH58D

[texasrangers]

Military service is pretty permanent if you were drafted and sent to Vietnam, and you died. That was a completely illegal and unconstitutional conflict, and 58,000 men did die, for NO GOOD REASON. Do you really think that Ho Chi Minh and the his communist hordes posed a threat to anyone in America? The 13th amendment was enacted to guard against injustices like that. But, like the vast majority of the other protections in our Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the rest of the amendments, no elected leader follows them anymore. Vietnam was also incredibly profitable for our military industrial complex, as are the current conflicts. I stand behind what I said. We have a militia, which is you, me, and every other able bodied man or woman regardless of age in this country for a reason - so if our country is attacked we will defend it. There will be no need for a draft.