OBAMA'S CIVIL DEFENSE FORCE, OR NEW AMERICAN GESTAPO

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Military service is pretty permanent if you were drafted and sent to Vietnam, and you died. That was a completely illegal and unconstitutional conflict, and 58,000 men did die, for NO GOOD REASON. Do you really think that Ho Chi Minh and the his communist hordes posed a threat to anyone in America? The 13th amendment was enacted to guard against injustices like that. But, like the vast majority of the other protections in our Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the rest of the amendments, no elected leader follows them anymore. Vietnam was also incredibly profitable for our military industrial complex, as are the current conflicts. I stand behind what I said. We have a militia, which is you, me, and every other able bodied man or woman regardless of age in this country for a reason - so if our country is attacked we will defend it. There will be no need for a draft.

Conscription didnt begin with Vietnam. There is a place and time for such measures, but I dont think there is any need for a draft currently, especially in conflicts like Iraq.

[Crusader]

Uhm no. The Gestapo was a very different type of organization.

Thank you for offering it up though.

In response I know what the Gestapo was. As having a Masters degree in history, and stationed in Berlin, I'm aware of what the Gestapo was. It means Geheime Staatspolizei, and was headed by the SS, and organized under the Reichssicherheitshauptamt or head of Reich Security. So how is this different from Obama's Civil force hmmmm?

[Gutshot John]

In response I know what the Gestapo was. As having a Masters degree in history, and stationed in Berlin, I'm aware of what the Gestapo was. It means Geheime Staatspolizei, and was headed by the SS, and organized under the Reichssicherheitshauptamt or head of Reich Security. So how is this different from Obama's Civil force hmmmm?

Simple,

First most people weren't even allowed into the SS let alone the Gestapo. It wasn't UNIVERSAL let alone conscription into a military force. You had to be part of the elite to even be considered.

Second they were a secret police force what Obama is proposing is not a secret, let alone police. The "CDF" as proposed by Obama are basically glorified garbage men. Funding equal to the military?

Perhaps you should check the historiography.

[g5m]

Slavery is by definition about PRIVATE ownership of a slave and compelling labor for profit.

There are other definitions:


"slavery

noun
A state of subjugation to an owner or master: bondage, enslavement, helotry, serfdom, servileness, servility, servitude, thrall, thralldom, villeinage, yoke. "

Certainly the master doesn't have to be an individual. Stalin was pretty good at having the state as a master.

[Gutshot John]

There are other definitions:


"slavery

noun
A state of subjugation to an owner or master: bondage, enslavement, helotry, serfdom, servileness, servility, servitude, thrall, thralldom, villeinage, yoke. "

Certainly the master doesn't have to be an individual. Stalin was pretty good at having the state as a master.

The merriam-webster definition does not have to be consistent with the Constitutional meaning.

The state can do things that a private citizen cannot. Drafting citizens to fight does not equate to ownership of their labor for profit.

[g5m]

I posted this on 1911.

I heard Obama talking about this prior to his "Coronation". "All 18-25 year old will be required to do 3 months of mandatory training and then serve in the Civil Defense Force that in Obama's words "needs to be as strong as the US Military".
Link to podcast below where Rahm Emanuel speaks to that leftist Rag the NY Times.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=e4qG6UIr8z

Need I say more? WTH have I been doing for 20 years in the Army? Guess he'll fire us and have the Black Panthers or Nation of Islam take over? LOL

I wonder why if we already have a military that it needs to be "as strong as the US Military".

[Gutshot John]

The "as strong as the military" phrase is hokum.

How's he gonna pay for it? Short answer - he can't.

So long CDF.

[g5m]

The merriam-webster definition does not have to be consistent with the Constitutional meaning.

The state can do things that a private citizen cannot. Drafting citizens to fight does not equate to ownership of their labor for profit.

A theoretical argument could be made otherwise but realistically what you have written is true.

[g5m]

The "as strong as the military" phrase is hokum.

How's he gonna pay for it? Short answer - he can't.

So long CDF.

But, isn't there a 5% value added tax waiting in the wings? Could bring in a lot of dollars. And more in a good economy.

You know, when all is said and done I feel sorry for the terrible burden the President has. I hope he is able to provide good leadership during these dangerous times. We certainly need good leadership.
And, I pray for the man every day. Just as I did for our previous President.

[Gutshot John]

But, isn't there a 5% value added tax waiting in the wings? Could bring in a lot of dollars. And more in a good economy.

The military budget is probably about 1/4-1/5th of the overall budget. We're talking close to a trillion dollars. I don't think there is any way you can achieve parity without drastic cuts somewhere else.

I'm almost sure he can't raise that much money for a CDF when there are so many other budgetary shortfalls such as medicare.

He's got a lot of fixing to do before he can even entertain these extravagant ideas.