OBAMA'S CIVIL DEFENSE FORCE, OR NEW AMERICAN GESTAPO

[armakraut]

...To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

...To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

...The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;

Here's my take on the Rahm proposals.

With regards to firearms and national preparedness, the US government and states have a strong mandate to train and equip. It's something they should be doing.

Most young adults these days do not act the way they do because of an overabundance of discipline. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that if they went to a uncomfortable, martial atmosphere for 3 months, learned to use weapons, learned to apply themselves, and to work with others, the majority would be much better off from the experience.

People CCW a gun because they can not CCW an entire cop. It's an entirely constitutional idea that cities, counties and states be able to have some sort of rudimentary defense structure greater than the typical first responders to pull from. Virginia Tech might have benefited from having more trained good guys with guns working in a coordinated manner, and Los Angeles certainly would have after the Rodney King verdicts.

Before the 2A was enumerated, there was some discussion going on about a select militia vs the current system. What we have isn't bad, it just isn't all that used or organized. Mildly comparable to the old soviet factory work theory. "We pretend to work, they pretend to pay us."

The two points I want to make is that the concept of the militia was never meant to be "no strings attached" and [controversial statement alert] the 2A isn't solely, or even primarily about owning guns.

[OH58D]

Everyone is focusing on the word "Gestapo", and that is far from what Obama was talking about in his July Speech in Colorado Springs.

Obama wants a domestic form of the Peace Corps that is just as well funded as the Military. He calls it a Civilian National Security Force. As I stated earlier, he already has this going in an early form in most States; the group is called Public Allies.

Public Allies is a 13 month long paid training program for young people that teaches Community Organizing. The program contains a strong dose of Marxism.

Do some checking on this program. At face value it looks like any other inner city youth program, but dig deeper and you'll find what it's really about.

I have studied this group for quite a while now, and have had contact with some of it's former members.

OH58D

[Federale]

We risk discrediting ourselves with much of I what I keep seeing posted over and over on the internet gun forums.

Yes be weary of their intentions. But jumping to far reaching conclusions is only going to convince the unconvinced that we're a bunch of wack jobs.

I know you sort of slid this in here, but it bears repeating. For the past 8 years many of us could run over to the lefty forums and snicker about all the conspiracy theories that were posted there. They came off like nuts because they jumped to conclusions and made crazy claims. We're going to have to be careful not to sound the same way. This is a pretty mainstream site where gun owers of all beliefs come to learn. But to the "unconvinced" who might swing by here and visit, that's not the feel of this forum lately and what they'd see wouldn't win them over. There's way too much "sky is falling" panic.

[Sudden]

We already have a force to defend America.

http://kissata.com/

[WillC]

the group is called Public Allies...

Do some checking on this program. At face value it looks like any other inner city youth program, but dig deeper and you'll find what it's really about.

I have studied this group for quite a while now, and have had contact with some of it's former members.

OH58D

That is pretty scary.

[Sudden]

The Peace Corps is not in the same realm as a Civilian National Security Force. Are we talking about a National Neighborhood watch? Maybe someone should ask him.

[R/Tdrvr]

Have you seen the "average" 18-25 year old lately? Most are not inclined to make much effort towards anything. Could you see some kid who was poorly raised, was part of a gang, and has no education doing much more than causing trouble for the people who are now in charge of them? Sure, it sounds scary but the reality doesn't pan out too well...

Or better yet, wait until college students who voted for the messiah are told that they will have to give up their spring break or summer vacation time (the perfect time frame between courses) in order to fullfill their "service" obligations. I can just imagine the uproar that will bring.

[FrankRochester]

In 1921 Adolf Hitler formed his own private army called Sturm Abteilung (Storm Section). The SA (also known as stormtroopers or brownshirts) were instructed to disrupt the meetings of political opponents and to protect Hitler from revenge attacks. Captain Ernst Roehm of the Bavarian Army played an important role in recruiting these men, and became the SA's first leader.

[thopkins22]

The military budget is probably about 1/4-1/5th of the overall budget. We're talking close to a trillion dollars. I don't think there is any way you can achieve parity without drastic cuts somewhere else.

I'm almost sure he can't raise that much money for a CDF when there are so many other budgetary shortfalls such as medicare.

He's got a lot of fixing to do before he can even entertain these extravagant ideas.

Where are the trillions of dollars coming from for the bailouts/stimuli? Is there a surplus from which they're drawing this cash? No. Are people loaning us this money? No. Has the US government raised taxes to 90%? No. Are they printing money as fast as they can? Yes.

All current and future obligations combined our federal government could(worst case scenario and they actually get called on FDIC deposits) be in the hole something like $78.4 TRILLION dollars. That's more than the GDP of the entire world. Do we really think these politicians care about a lack of money?

There are plenty reasons that this won't happen, especially in the sense that it's been discussed here, but precedent shows us that a lack of money has yet to stop our government from spending vast sums of it.