David Olofson back in court....

[A-Bear680]

I dunno , we'll see.

Supposedly his current lawyer team is the best that GOA could find to take the case. The oral argument was not particularly impressive , maybe the written brief is better. I'm not convinced that anything short of O.J.'s dream team could have helped him , either at the original trial or at the appeal. The facts and the law just don't seem to be in Mr. Olofson's favor.

We'll see how it turns out.

[JLM]

Try this instead:

http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/fdocs/do...8-2294_002.mp3

MarkM, where did you hear that he installed a burst group? I don't think the .gov even claimed as such. You'd think he would have got charged with manufacturing as well if that was the case.

[Linus_1]

And hopefully nothing changes. Especially since he knowingly put a full auto LPK in the weapon and even after if "malfunctioned" he lent the weapon out to someone. The guy is an idiot and he played with the systemone too many times.

I know David personally.


He is not an idiot in fact, he is a patriotic and decent man. He did not put in a full auto LPK in the fire arm.


Please refrain from attacking his character or judgement unless you know the man.

I do.

[A-Bear680]

I know David personally.


He is not an idiot in fact, he is a patriotic and decent man. He did not put in a full auto LPK in the fire arm.


Please refrain from attacking his character or judgement unless you know the man.

I do.

You wanna tell us what specific fire control parts were in the rifle when it was in the court room.
Hint -- was the defense lawyer at the appeal hearing wrong?

[Linus_1]

The information you request is contained in the appeal.

That appeal can be found at GOA's sight.

I can tell you that no part in the firearm was illegal and it did not have an autosear.

You may agree with what the prosecuter did, you may not.

The point is if you don't know him it is hard to understand how people can put down him personally.

If you knew him, you wouldn't.

[Iraqgunz]

Well since you have come here to be his official spokesman please tell us exactly which parts he installed in the lower receiver and whether they were semi-or auto parts.

A sear is not required to make a gun go full-auto.

Please explain why he gave the weapon to someone to use even after he knew it had fired more than one round with a pull of the trigger previously.

I know David personally.


He is not an idiot in fact, he is a patriotic and decent man. He did not put in a full auto LPK in the fire arm.


Please refrain from attacking his character or judgement unless you know the man.

I do.

[Army Chief]

I'm admittedly uncomfortable with the tenor of this discussion. We're doing extraordinarily well in the interpretations department, but seem to have almost no substantiated facts upon which to base them. Are those even available?

I would be interested in a dispassionate representation of the evidence in this case. I'm a fair-minded guy, and have zero interest in being the first to cast stones, but we're more or less focusing upon Olofson and his actions, which doesn't really explain what was or was not going on (mechanically) inside of the weapon.

Lest there me any misunderstanding, I'm not criticising anyone here for expressing a viewpoint, but the banter has inevitably led to more -- not less -- confusion. Was the LPK really an issue here or not? The government would seem to be suggest that it was. What evidence do we really have to the contrary?

AC

[A-Bear680]

I'm admittedly uncomfortable with the tenor of this discussion. We're doing extraordinarily well in the interpretations department, but seem to have almost no substantiated facts upon which to base them. Are those even available?

I would be interested in a dispassionate representation of the evidence in this case. I'm a fair-minded guy, and have zero interest in being the first to cast stones, but we're more or less focusing upon Olofson and his actions, which doesn't really explain what was or was not going on (mechanically) inside of the weapon.

Lest there me any misunderstanding, I'm not criticising anyone here for expressing a viewpoint, but the banter has inevitably led to more -- not less -- confusion. Was the LPK really an issue here or not? The government would seem to be suggest that it was. What evidence do we really have to the contrary?

AC

I share your concerns about the confusion surrounding the case.
Run a search for the old thread in General Discussion "Felony Conviction for Malfunctioning AR". The thread is around 8 pages long -- trial transcript links and
a link to other court records concerning Olofson's prior cases are consolidated on page 7.

The fire control group and the 180 degree selector are central to the case. The defense ( in court) has never refuted the presence of the M16 fire control group ( less auto sear). The defense claimed that the absence of the auto sear made the rifle a malfunctioning semi-auto rather than a machine gun.
Flakey. The jury didn't buy it.

[Iraqgunz]

gbear,

They didn't buy it, because those who understand the M16 FOW know that the sear does not create full-auto or burst. It is the sum of the parts involved. The sear simply makes it happen when it is supposed to.

I share your concerns about the confusion surrounding the case.
Run a search for the old thread in General Discussion "Felony Conviction for Malfunctioning AR". The thread is around 8 pages long -- trial transcript links and
a link to other court records concerning Olofson's prior cases are consolidated on page 7.

The fire control group and the 180 degree selector are central to the case. The defense ( in court) has never refuted the presence of the M16 fire control group ( less auto sear). The defense claimed that the absence of the auto sear made the rifle a malfunctioning semi-auto rather than a machine gun.
Flakey. The jury didn't buy it.

[A-Bear680]

Exactly.
The jury convicted Olofson of transfering a poorly constructed selective fire rifle that malfunctioned ( sometimes) when set to the 180 degree from safe position.
The rifle did not malf in the semi/fire position , only in the " machine gun" setting.
The malf defense just doesn't cut it.

It may have been a sorry jam-a-matic toy , but legally it was a machine gun.
If that guy had been smart he would have taken the misdemeanor deal. 30 months and a felony conviction is a stiff price for one step up from bump-firing.

Drinking latrine lawyer Kool-Aid is ....eh... has some disadvantages.