Interesting shooting

**Alex22** · 01-25-09, 20:30

A few have mentioned that hostage taker was shot in the forehead and it is a curved surface. Unless the SWAT member with the MP5 was taller than 6'6 he would be shooting at an upward angle at a curved surface. Although that is assuming both were standing straight up, not too sure how likely that would be in real life.
The fact that the bullet fragmented and was deflected without penetrating the skull is not too unremarkable. I'm not too sure if I would call this guy lucky to survive a headshot or not because he now has to stand on trial for the murder and hostage taking.

~Alex

**Gutshot John** · 01-25-09, 20:32

Originally Posted by bkb0000

i wonder how much dope you need to do to be OK with having a bullet lodged in your face. i'm sure half his face was flaming red and full of puss by the time he decided to go to the ER

You'd be surprised what walks into the ER on any given day. 15 years in EMS and I'm continuously amazed.

One of my personal favorites was the guy who shot himself while holstering a cocked .22 mag pistol without a trigger guard. One bullet five holes.

Then there's the guy...

**one** · 01-25-09, 20:35

One thing I would like to point out as a possible cause of the 9mm failure with the MP5SD is this. I've worked with three different Officers from three different agencies that have been issued HK MP5SD's.

Each and every one of them was running 147 gr. subsonic ammunition in the guns until I explained to them how the suppressor system on the HK works and to maintain standard ammunition in it. It all boils down to the agencies purchased the guns and issued them out with zero detailed training on them other than firing qualifications. The Officers and agencies all had heard to use subsonic ammunition with suppressors and just ran with it.

It may be possible that this is what occured with this shooting. Subsonic ammunition utilized with then more velocity bled off.

But that's all just a guess.

**HAMMERDROP** · 01-25-09, 20:49

But perhap the firing pin channel had some carbon build up and the firing pin wasn't floating properly. I have had a few first round failures to fire, quite embarrassing, of course I wasn't door kickin' for an Orca. They should have harpooned him ...
Center of mass where would it start on such a behemoth ?
When I reassembled the bcg after cleaning I noticed once firing channel was cleaned and oiled the firing pin floated freely to the stop. And have never heard silence from 'a first round' again. Its one of the areas I pay attention to and oil regularly.

Michael

**JackOSU** · 01-25-09, 21:46

I just hope they get the chair or needle ready for this sick bastard.

It would be nice to have it on tv. I'd sure pop a bag of popcorn and have a toast for the families loss in a moment of silence.

It's amazing how these SOB's are able to get so lucky and justice possibly being delayed.

**bkb0000** · 01-25-09, 21:55

Originally Posted by JackOSU

I just hope they get the chair or needle ready for this sick bastard.

It would be nice to have it on tv. I'd sure pop a bag of popcorn and have a toast for the families loss in a moment of silence.

It's amazing how these SOB's are able to get so lucky and justice possibly being delayed.

he shot his whore of a cheating wife.. it's not like he's the virginia tech shooter.

**thopkins22** · 01-25-09, 22:03

Originally Posted by bkb0000

he shot his whore of a cheating wife.. it's not like he's the virginia tech shooter.

But then he took his young son hostage. Sympathy points get recalled at that point.

And in response to your other post...I'm guessing it took that guy A LOT of dope to both deal with a bullet in the head for days, never mind not being knocked out cold from the impact.

**Drummer** · 01-25-09, 22:05

What was the brand and weight of the 9mm used?

**randyman_ar** · 01-25-09, 22:29

Okay from the pic posted, the guy looks like a mouth breathing trog-la-dite. Thick skull small brain cavity. My wife works the ER (RN 26 yrs) at an inner city hosp. She has seen numerous 'walk ins' 6+ in the last year (under their own power) that had numerous hits with 9mm. The latest had one the the arm, two leg, two stomach, two chest, drove himself to the er, alert till surgery. I know shot placement is critical but the wife would just as soon carry "a big ****ing rock than a 9mm" her words not mine. She simply doesn't trust its stopping power.

FWIW she carries a Kimber CDP Ultra .45