The word from Federal on XM193.

[Iraqgunz]

Mark,

Yes, it is all .MIL issue ammo known as DODIC A066/ A071. The lot# indicates that it was produced in 1993 at Lake City. I believe it has the NATO stamp on it, but I will have to pull some to double check it.

Is your ammo loaded in NATO marked brass?

I'm just curious. I know the mil still has some A1 rifles out there and they do still consume M193. But I'm curious to know if the M193 that the mil uses is run in NATO cross brass.

If it is, my whole theory is shot to hell!

[1911pro]

And our posts have been meant to tell you that what you believe to be true may in fact not be - despite what the person on the other end of the phone at Federal said to you.

I understand this and appreciate it. I come to M4 because you get the facts most of the time. I have worked in sales for the largest Automotive speed shop in the world for the last 15 years. I do understand manufactures are not always correct on their info. I have learned much from Grant,M4 and its members and would like to thank all of you. The info helps me make the right choices in spending my hard earned money. In my daily job I try to give my customers the correct info, but without being condescending or talking down to them. I know this will make them want to return. This can be hard to do when you have been dealing with something you know so well for so long. I am sure you can relate. I will call Federal today and ask them why the misinformation and see what they say.

[markm]

Mark,

Yes, it is all .MIL issue ammo known as DODIC A066/ A071. The lot# indicates that it was produced in 1993 at Lake City. I believe it has the NATO stamp on it, but I will have to pull some to double check it.

Cool. If it's NATO brass, my conspiracy theory is shot to hell.

[RogerinTPA]

So whats the deal with the different letters (C,F, ect..) behind the 3? Different plant facility perhaps?

[Saginaw79]

IDK, their codes confuse me, and thats the first Ive seen a letter behind the type save PD, but thats a whole 'nother argument.

[Iraqgunz]

Here is the official response in reply to my email to Federal.

ME:

Hello,
Can someone please clarify the difference between the various types of
XM193 that Federal sells? Some boxes are marked XM193C, XM193F, XM193A,
etc...is this in relation to the packaging of said ammo? There has been
a lot of discussion about this in various firearms related internet forums. Thank you.

THEM:

All XM193 is the same. The suffix is just a designation for packaging.

[markm]

I had an XM193 round do something strange on Friday.

I had a single round in a mag. I fired it and the bolt locked back but the empty was still in the chamber. I didn't notice it until I tried to chamber my next mag's first round. When I cycled the bolt group, out popped the empty with a damaged case rim where the extracter had ripped at it when it tried to extract the round.

[1911pro]

Justin at Federal said that their XM193 has both case mouth sealant and primer sealant. He is going to call me back Tuesday and let me know what kind of sealant is used.

[bkb0000]

I had an XM193 round do something strange on Friday.

I had a single round in a mag. I fired it and the bolt locked back but the empty was still in the chamber. I didn't notice it until I tried to chamber my next mag's first round. When I cycled the bolt group, out popped the empty with a damaged case rim where the extracter had ripped at it when it tried to extract the round.

musta been shooting wolf first.

you got the case out, obviously? notice any cracks or deformaties?

[bkb0000]

i was kinda shocked to see karnak on a bullet... do you suppose it just burns up on detonation? i was green and stupid and didn't know anything when i was in the army, but i dont recall having tar-lined barrel.