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    Educate me, what is this carbine position for?



    The only advantage I can see to shooting strong hand on weak shoulder is for rapid movement to the weak hand side while shooting.

    The range that is shown on that picture would make me think the time it takes to switch shoulders for a better tracking across the body is going to be time I don't want to take.

    At distances in the 50-100 yard area, I'm thinking that rapid movement to the weak side would be better replaced with posting up for a good shot from strong side.

    I can see using weak hand weak shoulder for obstacle work, but this position leaves me with questions.

    Anyone care to comment on it's designated use?

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    It keeps your hands in the familiar locations.

    I'm much quicker at getting support side shots off this way as opposed to fumbling my gun over to the support side, and then having to mash my dominant eye shut to get the sights to work.

    It's just another way... most people say when they see this.. "why didn't I think of that!"

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    As mentioned, left side barricade shot, especially if I was swapping sides r/l it removes alot of hand swapping. Will expose slightly more so you can see the debates that might lead to. ;p I imagine in the picture they just didn't have time or the equipment to actually set up barrels or something for the simulation.

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    So its not a "shoot on the move" thing, but a way to minimize exposure on weak side barricade shooting without switching the gun to weak side?

    I don't see how this position addresses the dominant eye issue though as the rifle is still in the weak position just no switching of hands right?

    I'll have to setup the video and see how much exposure this saves verses snapping out in strong side and switching to weak side.

    Thanks for the comments guys.

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    It's faster. If you need to go from one side of a barricade to another, or approach a barricade and shoot on the support side, it's quicker.

    We do support-side transitions all the time without a barricade to get familiar with the motions without the complexity of working around a barricade. Kind of like practicing transitions to secondary without a mag in the gun. I'm sure that's what they are doing.

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    Rob,

    Does it allow you to still use the dominant eye without leaning over the stock? I can't see how that can be the case.

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    I don't. I use my left eye from my left shoulder. I can't figure out any way to get my head positioned such that my right eye could see through the optic, and damn sure not AK iron sights, from my left shoulder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    It keeps your hands in the familiar locations.

    I'm much quicker at getting support side shots off this way as opposed to fumbling my gun over to the support side, and then having to mash my dominant eye shut to get the sights to work.

    It's just another way... most people say when they see this.. "why didn't I think of that!"
    to expand on this as well, it makes reloading/malf clearing from the weak side faster. you can bring the gun back into your normal workspace quickly, then perform your reloading or malf clearing in the quickest, most natural, most practiced way. it's also useful if your light setup isn't optimally arranged for ambi use.
    Last edited by theJanitor; 02-04-09 at 20:18.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oregonshooter View Post
    Rob,

    Does it allow you to still use the dominant eye without leaning over the stock? I can't see how that can be the case.
    it is doable, and i know this because i'm blind in one eye. you need to smash your face into the stock and look out the side of your head. it is far from optimal and there is no way that it's gonna work on an AK. for me it only works with a big aimpoint (no t1/h1) on a 1/3 co-witness mount, or eotech on a high mount . the dot is almost at the edge of the tube, thus the reason why i haven't moved on to the T1, the tube is to small. it also won't work with a magnified optic, even if it's on 1 power.
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    You're right. You still are using your left eye for iron sight shooting. I had a brain fart on that one.

    To me, this technique is much easier than a complete support side transition. I'm a lot more quick and confident in my shot by doing this.

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