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Thread: New Hampshire Challenges Federal Gov't on 2nd Amend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thopkins22 View Post
    If they're reaffirming Jeffersonian principles, then it certainly is what they're saying.

    Is it irrelevant? Yes probably, because as you pointed out, if they try and act on it the US will burn their state to the ground, and kill their citizens relentlessly. But it's impressive to me that they're taking a stand for liberty in these times where the constitution is regularly ignored.

    How could it be a more meaningful statement?

    Read the resolution.

    That should any such act of Congress become law or Executive Order or Judicial Order be put into force, all powers previously delegated to the United States of America by the Constitution for the United States shall revert to the several States individually.
    Basically, they said that if the Federal government does what they determine to be a violation of the Constitution, then the Constitution is bascially dissolved and the powers revert to the SEVERAL states. Utter bullshit. One teeny tiny state doesn't get to to decide that. They don't even get to decide whether something is Constitutional or not. That's what SCOTUS is for.

    It would be more meaningful if it actually has a chance of making it out of committee and maybe even being adopted.
    Instead, it's a badly written fruit loop resolution

    This kind of nonsense makes makes gun rights advocates look like anti-ebil guvmint crackpots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thopkins22 View Post
    If they're reaffirming Jeffersonian principles, then it certainly is what they're saying.

    Is it irrelevant? Yes probably, because as you pointed out, if they try and act on it the US will burn their state to the ground, and kill their citizens relentlessly
    I think the feds would make life hard for NH, but the odds of federal troops marching to war drums is slim. Doing that would cause rebellion throughout the union and would probably turn into all out civil war.

    I am also willing to wager there is more anti federal mindsets than pro federal in all nearly all 50 states. They are just looking for a reason to kick up dust
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    Quote Originally Posted by beaker View Post
    Yeah, going nowhere, but still..... I love my state.

    For the most part, anyway. All those damn MA terraformers moving up here because their state is in the crapper, and then voting the same way they did in MA. Jerks.
    When I lived in NH we called them "Massholes"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sttrongbow View Post

    This is absolutely ridiculous. New Hampshire does not get to decide when or if the Constitution is negated. It's just laughable. This could have been a meaningful statement in support of the 2A, instead it turned into a fruit loopy rant without force or meaning.
    I'd say its meaning and power depends entirely on how far NH is willing to go to back it up. This country is not that old and we've fought at least one massive and bloody civil war already over similar (and arguably less significant) issues.

    I also agree that the Masshole contingent will keep this from ever being enacted or, if enacted, enforced in any meaningful way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbrowne1 View Post
    I'd say its meaning and power depends entirely on how far NH is willing to go to back it up. This country is not that old and we've fought at least one massive and bloody civil war already over similar (and arguably less significant) issues.

    I also agree that the Masshole contingent will keep this from ever being enacted or, if enacted, enforced in any meaningful way.

    No... my point is that as written it is a poor resolution at best, an incredibly obtuse one at worst. It's one thing for a resolution to declare what NH would do. It's another to declare the fate of the nation.

    Jeffersonian states rights haven't existed since 1861. And if you want to blame anyone for it, blame SC. If they hadn't attacked Fort Sumpter, the course of the matter might have gone very differently indeed.

    But that's water under the bridge. the dominion of the Federal government is now long established. Heck, each American here has pledged many times that we are a nation "indivisible." You wanna make a difference? Then fight for rights on a national level. And divorce liberty from social conservatism. The two make poor bedfellows anyway. Heck where I live, even liberals are gun owners!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sttrongbow View Post
    Jeffersonian states rights haven't existed since 1861. And if you want to blame anyone for it, blame SC. If they hadn't attacked Fort Sumpter, the course of the matter might have gone very differently indeed.
    Unfortunately you are correct. Who knows what might have occurred but for that act of aggression.

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    Ahhh yes NH.we should bild a wall at the MA NH line!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.F.O.D View Post
    Ahhh yes NH.we should bild a wall at the MA NH line!!!!!
    I'd agree, but I work in MA. How about a day pass?

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    Wouldn't Federal restrictions on the 2A violate some state constitutions.

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    Why do you think states have constitutions in the first place, and why the vast majority recognize and protect a right to keep and bear arms.


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