LEO views on Firearm Removal

[Buckaroo]

t wouldn't really matter what the law was changed or amended to; the inalienable right stands, enumerated or not. Some things are self evident regardless of moral relativity.

Amen, and some things must be addressed by force sooner rather than later.

I'm just saying......

Buckaroo

[Rider79]

I miss Jericho.

[TheGhostRider]

How many of the incidents have we seen in the news where some person who owned guns was raided...

The news reports the person had an arsenal.
The law says the person had a large cache of weapons and ammunition, and makes the person out to be some crazy fool bent on killing kittens or something.
The news says the person was a threat because he had so much ammunition and so many "assault weapons".
The person of interest and the story disappears in short order.
We don't hear the outcome of the story or the results of the trial.
We eventually hear that the person had a Marlin model 60 and a 500 round brick of .22s, a 12 gauge shotgun and 100 rounds of birdshot...
This was the arsenal of weapons and ammunition.

Maybe the person didn't do anything wrong except espouse his opinion regarding the Gov't in a public place.

Maybe the person wrote something in a web forum about how he was tired of the gov't and the law stepping on his rights and how he'd take a stand.

And what happens when we see this take place? Do we question what we read, what we hear.
I think a lot of us set back and say "wow... crazy bastard... better him than me"!

So now lets say a law IS passed that bans the possession of "specific" firearms. You and your best friend make a vow to watch over each other and defend each other... "no matter what happens".

What happens when you see your neighbor (best friend) getting the "treatment" from the gov't? You look across the street to see the "raid" starting.
You know he's a standup guy, you know he's a straight person. You guys have known each other for years, you've played cards, drank beer, hunted together, and swore to each other that if anything ever happened you'd defend each other and watch each others backs.

Now....... what are you going to do?

There will NEVER be a mass confiscation. This will cause a revolt and Uncle suger knows it.

It will always be one "crazy guy with an arsenal" at a time, the news will always paint the person in a bad light, the person will always lose. Even if the only crime he ever committed was having an opinion and a couple of firearms.

Death by a thousand cuts... it's more effective when it looks like the gov't is playing savior. Saving society from another "crazy guy with an arsenal".

It beats an all out public show of force on a wide geographical area of people. This would actually be noticed for what it really is.




Now.... what are you going to do?
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Incidentally, I am only trying to encourage thought here.
I see a lot of comments in various threads that involve "chest thumping".

So.... think about what you would really do.

[Canonshooter]

Great thread.

IMO, confiscation is a very tough road. Even in the "death by a thousand cuts" scenario, the word gets out and a stink is made. If it is my neighbor, I'll be shooting alright - with a Canon DSLR and a telephoto lens, and posting it all over the Internet.

The most likely scenario IMO is the outright banning of manufacture/posession of "assault weapons" with long-term "soft enforcement." No kicking down doors, just taking them at traffic stops, "buy back programs" etc. Eventually - over a long period of time - most firearms are removed from society because our children or spouses may not want to be burdened with "illegal firearms" after we kick the bucket.

Education remains the key - educating young people on the Bill of Rights and how these essential rights still apply to modern society.

[Rider79]

I know the_Katar is around here somewhere....

[lalakai]

this thread wandered. i posted it so that we could get some different views of how LEO's feel regarding this issue, from LEO's who are not part of this forum (as far as i know.........rob_s may correct me on this one). No flaming or we might get locked.

[randyman_ar]

There will NEVER be a mass confiscation. This will cause a revolt and Uncle suger knows it.

It will always be one "crazy guy with an arsenal" at a time, the news will always paint the person in a bad light, the person will always lose. Even if the only crime he ever committed was having an opinion and a couple of firearms.

BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!! BRAVO!! I've been telling my "it'll never happen" buddies this for years now.

Now........ can I quote you for my tag line?

[Outlander Systems]

Speaking of caches...

"250 weapons...and nearly half a million rounds of ammunition"

http://cbs3.com/topstories/brian.hin....2.921142.html

The thing I find disturbing about this raid is that I don't know what crime was committed with 250 weapons...

[Linus_1]

Jefferson and the rest of America's founders rightly understood that the only legitimate purpose of government was "to secure these rights."

The only legitimate purpose of civil government is to secure or protect the freedoms and liberties that have been given to man by our Creator.

Jefferson went on to say that "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

In other words, whenever government stops protecting liberty and starts destroying liberty, it is the right and duty of freedom-loving people to reform or replace such illegitimate government with a government that will fulfill its legitimate purpose

[Gramps]

I think the US Govt would think these same questions through too. And read what is discussed about it on the error net by EVERYONE.

So a solution they might come up with would be to use some one from another Nation to do their dirty work. I've read where the UN has already set up years ago "IN THIS NATION" and are practicing doing these door to door searches. Its not their country so why should they care, and what were they told about us?
We have also signed an agreement with Canada to come down here if the Feds ask them too.