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    To the OP, I personally don't think how you store your rifle, be it hammer down, or not, safety on/off, all with an empty chamber is really that big of an issue.

    What I'd be more concerned about would be how you train to "deploy" your rifle.

    What I mean is, how ever you want to store your rifle, great (so long as it's safe and secure), but do it the same way EVERY TIME. If your gun is anything other than a range toy, then you can not underestimate the importance of consistency. Having the gun in the same location, in the same condition, every time, and practicing deploying it in that manner, is something I harp upon to our officers trained in our Patrol Rifle Program.

    I'm not claiming to be some kind of expert, but when deploying a firearm, especially a rifle during a critical incident, a person has enough going through their mind, evaluating the situation, tactics, ect. all while dealing with the increased stress, that one should be able to prepare/deploy their firearm without having to stop and think about it.

    If you do manage to wear out a hammer spring, I think it's more likely to be from shooting. Springs are cheap.

    But with this said, I do have a couple of AR's set aside for my kids, for when they are older. These guns are in what I would consider as a "long term storage mode" in the very back of the safe. With these AR's, the hammer is down and the safety is off.

    If I'm being "Mr. Obvious" here, or sounding like I'm "on a soap box", please overlook my transgressions, the caffeine hasn't kicked in yet!

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    There are only two times the safety should be put on fire.
    There are only two times the trigger should be pulled.

    1. To engage a threat.
    2. To do a function check.


    The practice of "cruiser ready" hammer down, safety off, is just the result of inadequate training, perpetuates the cycle, and teaches others with even less training how to do things wrong.

    That also then promotes those people to walk around with the safety off. Because they think they are more "ready". Since after they rack a round into the chamber they haven't been taught to put the safety on anyhow.

    Learn to do a "brass check"

    If you think there isn't time to disengage the safety should a threat appear then I'm sorry. You have not been trained, or you need to step up your training.

    I'd bet a paycheck that anyone with a basic amount of training can go from a low ready to pulling the trigger on a target (and having to disengage the safety) within a tenth of a second as fast as not having to disengage the safety.


    The "action" is always left forward unless either disassembling or clearing a malfunction. Dust cover closed at all times when possible.
    Last edited by trunkmonkey; 02-12-09 at 09:39.

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    Ok, so you are saying that storing weapons in the armory with the bolt in battery, hammer down, empty chamber and on FIRE is wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by trunkmonkey View Post
    There are only two times the safety should be put on fire.
    There are only two times the trigger should be pulled.

    1. To engage a threat.
    2. To do a function check.


    The practice of "cruiser ready" hammer down, safety off, is just the result of inadequate training, perpetuates the cycle, and teaches others with even less training how to do things wrong.

    Everyone has OPINIONS and you just shared yours.

    That also then promotes those people to walk around with the safety off. Because they think they are more "ready". Since after they rack a round into the chamber they haven't been taught to put the safety on anyhow.

    Nobody ever said anything about anyone walking around with a round chambered and safety off. It also has nothing to do with storing the weapon or having it in the house in a ready condition.

    Learn to do a "brass check"

    If you think there isn't time to disengage the safety should a threat appear then I'm sorry. You have not been trained, or you need to step up your training.

    I'd bet a paycheck that anyone with a basic amount of training can go from a low ready to pulling the trigger on a target (and having to disengage the safety) within a tenth of a second as fast as not having to disengage the safety.


    The "action" is always left forward unless either disassembling or clearing a malfunction. Dust cover closed at all times when possible.
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    I won't say storing an AR15 in an armory in that condition is wrong. I do think it is unnecessary though.

    Yes I just shared my opinion. Thanks for yours.

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    That's what I thought. How Über of you.


    Quote Originally Posted by trunkmonkey View Post
    I won't say storing an AR15 in an armory in that condition is wrong. I do think it is unnecessary though.

    Yes I just shared my opinion. Thanks for yours.



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    When my weapons are in storage, they are hammer down. I don't see any compelling reason to have guns in storage with the hammer cocked. Once upon a time I had the pleasure of having the additional duty of Armory Bitch at a school I worked for. We were not required to store weapons (other than open-bolt guns) with the hammer dropped- so I didn't, mostly because the guns were in and out constantly and there was never a need to drop the hammer once it was handed in (on safe, bolt locked to the rear, no magazine). The school's weapons weren't really in long term storage though.

    If I am transporting the weapon from point A to B it is unloaded, with the safety on. It bothers me to have weapons off safe unless they are being used. I hate dropping the hammer at the DFAC, a point about mindset and training I could rant about for a couple of hours.

    When they are out of my immediate control but may be required for use (bedside gun), they are on safe, bolt forward on an empty chamber, magazine inserted.

    Any time I am carrying the weapon for anything more exciting than carrying my personal guns to my car they are loaded and ready with the safety on. The only time that safety comes off is if I intend on shooting something now. The safety is swept during the presentation so I see no time savings for me to have the safety off when loading/racking. Then again, I have used the AR system a few times. Still, the difference in how you store a firearm in an armory vs a bedside gun vs a cruiser is pretty vast simply because of the availability of the gun to people outside your control and immediacy of need.
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    Honestly, my safety is almost NEVER "on".

    If there's a good enough reason to have a live round in the chamber, then the gun is in my hands. And if the guns in my hands a safety does nothing. I suppose if I'm letting the gun hang I'll put the safety on to prevent gear hitting the trigger from firing the gun.

    I suppose if I lay my rifle down with a live one in the chamber I engage the safety too. But that doesn't happen too often...
    Last edited by markm; 02-12-09 at 10:50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat Trash View Post
    What I'd be more concerned about would be how you train to "deploy" your rifle.
    +1 ... Being able to (1) make the gun go off when you need it and (2) prevent the gun from going off otherwise is much more about training & familiarity than anything else. The important thing is to have a system and stick to it. Who wants to add to an already stressful situation by trying to figure out what condition your gun was/is/will be in?

    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    When they are out of my immediate control but may be required for use (bedside gun), they are on safe, bolt forward on an empty chamber, magazine inserted.
    Ditto. I have a serious aversion to dropping the hammer on a supposed-to-be empty chamber. There have been way too many people who AD'd trying to prove an loaded gun was unloaded.

    The only time that safety comes off is if I intend on shooting something now. The safety is swept during the presentation so I see no time savings for me to have the safety off when loading/racking.
    Ditto #2. I've never understood how safeties on long guns became so un-tacticool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToddG View Post
    I've never understood how safeties on long guns became so un-tacticool.
    Certain training organizations promote the idea.

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