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    So much for the bufffer aftermarket. What about the spring

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    Well shit I guess the manufacturers know everything better than we do. Don't I feel dumb now?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Well shit I guess the manufacturers know everything better than we do. Don't I feel dumb now?
    Same reason the headers and cat-back I wanted to put on my GTO voided the warranty.

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    No need in spending money if you dont have to, the manufactures build it so they should no more than us. thats why they build guns and we work. Like the old saying goes (IF ITS NOT BROKE DONT FIX IT).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROADKING View Post
    I have been hearing about people changing the buffer in the SMITH & WESSON M&P15 to H2 buffers and there tech dept said there is no need to do this, The stock mil-spec buffer that comes in them is made for the smith. They said if its good enough for the military it is good for civillian use. They also said it slows the bolt carrier down to slow and will cause misfeeds and jams. If it helped the rifle they would be put in from the factory. Just for your info.

    You got a CS person that has most likely never even built an AR before (FYI).

    To show you how clueless they are, the Military M4's comes with an H buffer (not car).

    He also left out the part that the Military M4 has a has port size of .063. The S&W AR does not have that size gas port.

    S&W tries so hard to save money on their AR's that they one time stopped using the C clamp on the dust cover rod because it saved 2 cents. Do you really think that they are going to spend $25 on an H2 buffer???????

    Understand that almost ALL gun manufacturers (less Colt, DD, Noveske and CD) use the cheapest buffer possible. They do not do this because it is BETTER, but because it puts more money in their pocket!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ROADKING View Post
    No need in spending money if you dont have to, the manufactures build it so they should no more than us. thats why they build guns and we work. Like the old saying goes (IF ITS NOT BROKE DONT FIX IT).
    You are missing the point. Rock River Arms uses a Dremmel Tool to cut their M4 feed ramps...is that because they know something we don't?
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    Well if that is the case then we don't need to worry about non-staked castle nuts, bolt carrier keys, castle nuts installed backwards a la Les Baer, chambers that aren't truly 5.56 even when the barrels is marked, improper extractor inserts and springs, etc.... ad nauseum. After all they wouldn't make it that way of it wasn't wrong right? And they always work don't they?

    While I am ranting he barely fired enought rounds through the damn thing to begin with and already started dicking around with it because the mysterious "someone" told him about an H2 buffer. That mysterious someone obviously left out details and the OP apparently hasn't taken the time to research the issue correctly especially because he didn't know the difference between a standard, H, H2, H3 buffer.


    Quote Originally Posted by ROADKING View Post
    No need in spending money if you dont have to, the manufactures build it so they should no more than us. thats why they build guns and we work. Like the old saying goes (IF ITS NOT BROKE DONT FIX IT).
    Last edited by Iraqgunz; 03-04-09 at 17:17.



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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    I just threw all my Hbuffers into Tempe Town Lake!!!
    I will be over shortly to recover them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ROADKING View Post
    No need in spending money if you dont have to, the manufactures build it so they should no more than us. thats why they build guns and we work. Like the old saying goes (IF ITS NOT BROKE DONT FIX IT).

    You would be shocked to learn how little some of these manufacturers know.

    S&W has forgotten more about building pistols and revolvers than most companies will ever know. The AR things is new to them (just like they are too you).

    I could tell you guys some real interesing info, but I have an NDA signed with S&W so.......



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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post

    Understand that almost ALL gun manufacturers (less Colt, DD, Noveske and CD) use the cheapest buffer possible. They do not do this because it is BETTER, but because it puts more money in their pocket!


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    ...which is sad because I would gladly pay an extra $25 for a weapon that came with the correct part(s), rather than having to spend another $25 after I buy the weapon.
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