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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuckatelli View Post
    I would suggest asking the customer how much experience he or she has had shooting an AR and if they have any concerns with muscle memory.
    This is going to be his 1st AR, but I know him well enough that he much prefers lefty long guns when he can get them....I found a slightly used stag lefty in a varmint configuration but he may only want the upper.

    I may keep the lower for a project. I think all I'll need is an ambi/right handed safety.
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    He'd be much better getting a standard carbine from Colt, Daniel Defense, LMT, Charles Daly LE, Noveske, etc., and just running it.

    I've shot standard AR's from the left shoulder pretty extensively and never had an issue as far as controls or ejection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtk View Post
    The whole "parts commonality" thing is a load of bullshit. My AR's have maybe six parts that are not 100% standard-pattern AR. If it is that much of a concern, buy a few spares and call it a day.

    If having the ejection port a few inches from your face was a feature, hundreds of weapons designers would have put them on the left side in the first place. All the reasons that make right-hand ejection a sound design decision on a "right-handed" rifle apply equally to left-hand ejection on the Stag.

    And as an added bonus, when I let friends shoot my lefty AR's they get to experience what life is like for a lefty in a right-handed world. Not one has ever been too fond of brass flying out a few inches from their nose. I say "Welcome to my world."
    It's funny, as I don't really notice the gun, as I try to keep my focus on the target/targets.

    Besides, boomsticks are inherently unpleasant to shoot. They make loud sounds with big flashy things, they have parts whipping around, they push back into me when they fire, they send metal flying around at high velocities, and they have an end that is scary to see facing you.

    When you are shooting with others, you have brass flying all over the place and bouncing off of you. With new shooters, I like to stand on top of them to keep them from flagging everything with the muzzle, which also puts you directly in the course of ejecting brass at times. The burns and/or scars you get suck. I just don't see how something flying past, but not hitting you is bad.



    Quote Originally Posted by Artos View Post
    mtk,

    Thanks for the response. Would you mind sharing the non common parts?? I'm assuming that all are in the upper?? Everything on the lower (besides a safety) is common and you can swap at will??

    Thanks!!
    Mostly the important ones that are known to fail, like the bolt, and bolt carrier. Closing the ejection port is kinda awkward, as it's upside down. Finding a left handed HPT/MP bolt is about impossible.

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    As a Lefty AND owner of both a STAG LH AR and a Standard M4gery, here are my thoughts...I'm not a professional, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express

    Mind you, the only part of my LH rifle is the upper. I don't use Ambi controls on the lower. I don't feel it is needed. This also makes both rifles the same and muscle memory remains constant.
    I've never been hit (or even noticed brass ejecting from ANY Standard AR with a deflector).

    I see NO gain from a Left Handed AR for a left handed shooter, other than being different; in fact, I see a huge advantage for a Left Handed person with a standard AR.
    The ejection port is very easy to see with just a little twist of the rifle counter clockwise (away from the shooter). This is easier than trying to roll the rifle clockwise (towards you) to inspect.

    I postulate that a Lefty AR would be better suited for a Right Handed shooter due to the ease of chamber inspection.




    I (a left handed shooter) would NOT purchase another LH rifle based on MY experience.

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    Let's see....

    Muscle memory; all I can say is, "Puhlease!"

    It's a standard AR. The trigger, safety, magazine release, and charging handle are all in the standard location. If you have some problem relating to a left-handed AR when compared to a right-handed AR, it isn't the rifle's fault.

    If I blindfolded you and handed you a pair of Stags, one lefty and one regular, you'd never be able to tell the difference without sticking your finger in the ejection port. All the ambi controls are in the lower and optional on ALL Stag rifles, not just lefties, so these are not a "lefty" rifle issue at all. The only control that is in a different location is the forward assist, and we all know how often that thing gets used.

    As such, this whole issue is a red herring. Unless you're of the opinion that adding an ambi selector and a Norgon AmbiCatch magazine release somehow makes the weapon too confusing to operate, or that these two upgrades can't be applied to EVERY AR15 on earth, there simply isn't a difference in operation between the two configurations.

    As for having the ejection port in front of your face being a feature, well, frankly that is just plain stupid. Five minutes with Google can turn up quite a few photographs of exploded AR15s. In EVERY case, hot gas and shrapnel came out of that port. That is the exact reason the port is placed opposite your face, period. All the happy horseshit posted in these threads never addresses that one simple fact: designers put the port on that side for a reason. Those reasons don't become invalid for the 10% of the population that is left-handed.

    Bottom line: if having the port under your nose was desirable, Mr. Stoner's original design would have been the Stag lefty, not vice versa. In fact, you won't find a single weapon design with this little "design feature" incorporated in it. That should tell you something.

    Having had an ammo-related failure in an AR15 before, I can say with complete certainty that I wouldn't voluntarily place my face next to that port and repeat the experience. I got damn lucky the first time. I could just as easily have been blinded or disfigured in the experience. Significantly elevated risk of injury or death so I can more easily see in the ejection port. Yeah, that's a fine trade-off.

    The guy in question prefers left-handed guns?

    Then answer is simple: buy a Stag lefty.

    Or even better: build one.

    I've built three of them myself. All three use Stag lefty uppers and Noveske stainless barrels (along with a bunch of other premium parts). I wouldn't trade any of them for any AR on the market (third pin hole models notwithstanding).

    Oh yeah, my personal experience is that right-handed shooters aren't too fond of my lefty AR's for some reason. Seems they don't care for the brass flying out, inches from their nose. Go figure.

    As for what parts are non-standard, the only non-standard parts are the bolt and bolt carrier, upper receiver, and barrel extension. Everything else is 100% standard AR15. [Note: the forward assist parts may also be different, but I'm not 100% sure of that one.] As for tested bolts, my three Noveskes all came with MP tested bolts according to Noveske's website.

    My uppers came complete with bolts & carriers and my barrel groups came with bolts, so I have two spare bolts on hand. At some point, I'll grab another bolt carrier as a spare. That should be more than sufficient to cover my "lefty only" spare parts needs for quite a while.

    And at worst, I push two pins and install a standard upper on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtk View Post
    Let's see....

    Muscle memory; all I can say is, "Puhlease!"

    I'm happy that you never had to experience the negative effects of muscle memory.....

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    double post
    Last edited by Smuckatelli; 03-17-09 at 13:50. Reason: double post

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    I'm a lefty, but the stag I used to own was a right-handed rifle.

    There really isn't a good reason to switch them around especially with a brass deflector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuckatelli View Post
    I'm happy that you never had to experience the negative effects of muscle memory.....
    I think what you missed was he is saying that the user interacted parts are all setting right where they are on your LMT/COLT/Bushmaster/Stag R/Whatever brand aside from the forward assist that you most likely never used on your modern and well maintained rifle. For the muscle memory to have an effect, something you use would need to be changed or relocated. Use of a charging handle is hardly able to fall under muscle memory as it is something so rarely used(if ever) that it is in knowledge base and not skill based. When your weapon completly goes tits up on you, you have to stop and look to see that the bolt is ajar or not, and decide what action take according to what your eyes tell you. You begin to react to the situation as you determine the most likely issue and solution. That is knowledge based.

    I guess if your a lefty and never had the pleasure of spending time behind a Stag lefty, its a tough thing to get you to understand or accept. I know that I really like the left eject on mine.

    It is 100% fine for some to prefere a right handed rifle for left handed use, but is also just as fine for some lefties to prefer a rifle that may in fact make them more comfortable. It's all opinion... blonde vs red head.... whatever you want to compare. We all have varying taste! It should not be a battle of who is right or wrong, the simple answer is that if you shoot with a lefty and enjoy it more... go lefy. If you prefer the standard right side ejection port... have at it brother!

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    Quote Originally Posted by larry0071 View Post
    I think what you missed was he is saying that the user interacted parts are all setting right where they are on your
    Larry, I picked up what he was saying, me thinks he didn't bother to read what was originally posted.

    My answer centered around the customer's experience with ARs, if the customer was experienced with ARs and was trained using a right hand version...........

    As to user interacted parts, the first time that the user has to apply immediate action...muscle memory would rear it's head.

    IMO, the rifle is completely user interacted, not just the lower receiver.

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