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    I stand corrected on the Bolt being the same. My apologies.

    I switched the bolts and the timing is off...Wont lock into extension.

    Once again, my apologies for incorrect info.
    Last edited by C-Fish; 03-17-09 at 23:31.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mseiferth View Post
    mtk, Stag uses AMBI barrel extensions on their builds...
    The bolt is identical to its Right Handed cousin...


    That makes only two parts that are non- standard.


    Stay safe.
    Not so, left handed and right handed bolts and carriers are different. Larry0071 said it well.
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    The entire BCG is reversed on the stag. Everything about it is reversed.

    This is a picture of my Stag 1L BCG (Left) and pictured on the right is my Charles Daly Defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuckatelli View Post
    Larry, I picked up what he was saying, me thinks he didn't bother to read what was originally posted.

    My answer centered around the customer's experience with ARs, if the customer was experienced with ARs and was trained using a right hand version...........

    As to user interacted parts, the first time that the user has to apply immediate action...muscle memory would rear it's head.

    IMO, the rifle is completely user interacted, not just the lower receiver.
    No, I read it and understood it just fine.

    I also think it is a complete load of BS.

    For "muscle memory" to somehow be an issue, something would have to be different between the two rifles.

    Since the ONLY control that is different between a Stag lefty and a standard rifle is the forward assist, this whole line of "reasoning" is based upon nothing.

    The trigger is the same; no muscle memory issues there. The selector is the same; no muscle memory issues there. The magazine release is the same; no muscle memory issues there. The charging handle is the same; no muscle memory issues there. The bolt release is the same; no muscle memory issues there.

    [Note that ambi selectors and magazine catches don't count as "lefty" parts since they're present on quite a few standard AR's these days. Not to mention that they both still offer the use of the standard controls on the other side.]

    If every control is in the exact same place as a standard rifle, how in the hell are there any possible "muscle memory" issues? Do you honestly think you'd be incapable of operating a Stag lefty after training with a standard AR?

    I swear, some of you guys make it out like the Stag lefty has the magazine coming out the side like a Sten our out the top like a Bren or something. It's the same damn rifle, with the exception of the ejection port location.

    Oh wait, I guess that's the problem. High-speed tactical closing of the ejection port cover will run into muscle memory problems. So apparently the only trade-off with a lefty rifle is that you'll have to stop and think a second before closing the ejection port door. Somehow, I think I can live with that small trade-off.

    Now as for the brass deflector on the lefty, that is put there so when I'm hazing my right-handed friends with my Stag, they don't get hit in the face with hot brass. I just want them distracted, not actually burned.

    As for cost differences between the two, one part serves 90% of the populace and the other serves 10%. Smaller market means higher costs. With that said, for what you get (a complete, well-engineered reversed design that is 100% compatible with standard lowers) they should be applauded for doing it at such a small price premium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtk View Post
    No, I read it and understood it just fine.

    I also think it is a complete load of BS.
    Then you obviously don't understand muscle memory or you don't know how to apply immediate action for a stoppage.

    If you don't agree, fine, post your personal subjective comments but don't go claiming something that someone posts is BS when you don't understand the fundamentals of what he or she is posting.

    You are so wrapped around the axle about the Stag that you refuse to accept anyone's input that doesn't match your subjective experience.

    READ what I posted, if he had experience with an AR and he is concerned about muscle memory............

    I'll help you out a little here; Immediate action involves OBSERVING the ejection port (not your high speed tactical closing of the ejection port cover) and the FORWARD ASSIST.

    Quote Originally Posted by mtk View Post
    So apparently the only trade-off with a lefty rifle is that you'll have to stop and think a second before closing the ejection port door. Somehow, I think I can live with that small trade-off.
    That statement of your's pretty much sums up your understanding of immediate action in regards to muscle memory.

    Some people aren't blessed with the 'stop and think a second' method of immediate action.....
    Last edited by Smuckatelli; 03-18-09 at 15:12. Reason: Added "OBSERVING" for clarification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtk View Post
    Do you honestly think you'd be incapable of operating a Stag lefty after training with a standard AR?
    Trying to bring it down to sustained fire vice cyclic

    I am capable of operating a Stag lefty, as a lefty she could possible be the girl of my dreams.

    Unfortunately I was the product of an arranged marriage. I met her in Parris Island in May 1981. I fired her, slept with her, took her to foreign lands, climbed mountains with her, swam with her, took her on government cruise ships, went on vacations in the arctic/desert/jungle/temperate climes with her, bathed her often, sometimes took more of her 'clothes' off than I was supposed to...............she always treated me right, she would only speak when I wanted her to. She helped me get promotions at work because she always spoke as an expert.

    A couple of times she showed an atittude but applying a little SPORTS activity always get her talking again....never had to have a sit down with her and carry out a remedial love talk session with her.

    Our parents sent her to college and she came back into my arms in 1984 much more refined, her diploma now said; A2 and I was able to snuggle up to her with my left cheek without her spitting in my face while she talked....life was truely good.

    But alas, after 21 years of marriage, we had a separation for almost 6 years, now we are back together again.

    Changing girls right now for me, after so much time would be like marrying an 18 year old as I contemplate the need to dye my grey hair.
    Last edited by Smuckatelli; 03-18-09 at 17:12. Reason: spelling

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    Quote Originally Posted by larry0071 View Post
    The entire BCG is reversed on the stag. Everything about it is reversed.
    Yo homeboy (I'm originally from Penn Hills)

    Could you take a picture of the bolts side by side?

    I'm on a learning mission here

    I'm thinking that the difference can be found in how the bolt cam gets inserted.

    On the standard version there are two indents around the hole opposite of where the bolt cam goes into; are these indents on opposite sides???
    Last edited by Smuckatelli; 03-18-09 at 18:14.

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    Homeboy

    (Caution, no one here but me and him will understand what you are about to read, it is an internal Pittsburgh language that is normal here! I underlined the unusual words to help you know when its OK to be lost!)

    I'm a little North of your old home, I'm in Beaver County along Ohio River Blvd (RT 65 N 21 miles out of Pittsburgh) but I know where your talking about. I hope yinz are doin good over in the sand box if thats where you are. I would send you some progie, jumbo and chipped ham if I knew where you were! Make sure to keep a babushka handy to keep the sand out of your face and hair!

    Be carefull out there in the wild, you dont want to get any jaggers on you!

    My wife is almost done making dinner, we are having city-chicken. She breads it up and serves it with green beans and fried bread crumbs in butter. I bet you miss our food! I don't know how you survive without some Farkleberry Tarts to snack on!

    I was redding up my office today, and wouldn't you know it... i left my camera in the office gumbanded to the office light.

    Honestly, I did forget my camera on my desk at the office, so I'll get it for you tomorow. I'll take different angles for you side by side of the CDD vs the Stag lefty.

    Well....That's it, Fort Pitt!
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    Larry,

    You jagoff (jk), yinz just ate city chicken.......we had goulash for dinner, which was good until you reminded me about city chicken. Hey, can yinz guys gahed and PM the recipe?

    The worse jaggers I ever got was in Panama....

    I know where yinz are, my brother lives up there. I haven't been to the sandbox since 97. The day after I retired from the Corps I started working as a direct support contractor for the Marines. I manage contracts for training devices; mostly live, virtual, construct....from video games to shoot houses. We all live about 10 miles south of Quantico now. You can't buy a real sandwich with an egg and fries on it down here

    Just about all of the various places that I was stationed throughout my time in the Corps, my family sent six packs of Iron City (no, not Light), you can find those cans in bars from Okinawa to the Central African Republic.......even managed to receive a care package on ship once No luck getting it in the sandbox

    I ended up marrying a woman that used to work in the American Embassy in Prague, her last name ended in a ska. She had the potato salad, perogies, keilbasa and various other good foods down to a science before we met but for some reason city chicken never made it to or from Central Europe

    I'm almost willing to give up some 5.56/.223 for that recipe.
    Last edited by Smuckatelli; 03-18-09 at 22:33.

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    Smuckatelli,

    Here is what I think you wanted. If you wish for them to be taken apart and pictures taken again, I can do that as well.

    Each picture is Stag 1L on the left, Bushmster Carbon 15 center, and Charles Daly on the right. This will be consistant in this set of pictures, only the position in relatin to the camera angle will change. I will appolagize up front for not being StickMan... and for having rose colored counters in my bedroom bathroom!















    Once again, if you need to see more, I can do it. The fireing pin and cam pin are interchangeable. The Bolt and Bolt Carrier are reversed to place the cam pin on the opposite side.
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