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    Cop gets screwed by thought police

    About New York
    The Officer Who Posted Too Much on MySpace

    By JIM DWYER
    Published: March 10, 2009

    In pictures, Vaughan Ettienne is a champion bodybuilder of surreal musculature. In conversation, he is polite and thoughtful.

    And in the looking glass of his computer screen, he becomes a man of fierce, profane views on how to keep law and order. A few weeks ago, he posted a description of his mood on a MySpace account. “Devious,” he wrote.

    The next day, a man accused of carrying a loaded gun would go on trial in State Supreme Court in Brooklyn — and in large part, the case rested on the credibility of Vaughan Ettienne, bodybuilder, Internet user and arresting officer.

    What seemed like a simple gun possession case became an undeclared war over reality: Was Officer Ettienne a diligent cop who found a gun after chasing an ex-convict weaving through traffic on a stolen motorcycle? Or was his story a “devious” facade in keeping with the ruthless character he revealed on social network Web sites?

    “You have your Internet persona, and you have what you actually do on the street,” Officer Ettienne said on Tuesday. “What you say on the Internet is all bravado talk, like what you say in a locker room.”

    Except that trash talk in locker rooms almost never winds up preserved on a digital server somewhere, available for subpoena. The man on trial, Gary Waters, claimed that Officer Ettienne and his partner stopped him, beat him and then planted a gun on him to justify breaking three of his ribs.

    Suddenly, Officer Ettienne was being held to the words that he wrote in cyberspace.

    Besides the “devious” mood setting, the jurors learned that a few weeks before the trial, the officer posted this status on his Facebook page: “Vaughan is watching ‘Training Day’ to brush up on proper police procedure.”

    That referred to a 2001 movie starring Denzel Washington as a narcotics detective who pillaged and plundered Los Angeles. “The defense lawyer brings up ‘Training Day’ — like I was trying to emulate Denzel,” Officer Ettienne said. “He ties the defense to the story in the movie. It was a masterful piece of fantasy — but it was one that the jury bought.”

    In fact, Mr. Waters, on parole from a burglary conviction when he was arrested, beat the most serious charge, the felony possession of a 9 millimeter Beretta and a bagful of ammunition. He was convicted of resisting arrest, a misdemeanor.

    When the case started, the defense was going to focus more on what was in the officer’s body than on his mind. Officer Ettienne had been suspended for using steroids — legally, he says, with a doctor’s prescription. The defense lawyer, Adrian Lesher of the Legal Aid Society, argued last year that steroids might have created irrational rage in Officer Ettienne.

    Then Mr. Lesher tracked down comments Officer Ettienne had made on the Internet about video clips of arrests. An officer should not have punched a handcuffed man, Officer Ettienne wrote. “If he wanted to tune him up some, he should have delayed cuffing him.”

    He added: “If you were going to hit a cuffed suspect, at least get your money’s worth ’cause now he’s going to get disciplined for” a relatively light punch.

    “I’m not going to say it was the best of things to do in retrospect,” Officer Ettienne said. “You want to run your mouth with the best of them. As the lawyer Ron Kuby says, stupidity on the Internet is there for everyone to see for all times in perpetuity. That’s the case for me. There were hundreds of comments I made that were positive.”

    Officer Ettienne said he has never been disciplined for brutality.

    From the defense side, the mouth-running was a gift outright. “It supported our theory of the case — this guy was motivated to cover up his use of excessive force,” Mr. Lesher said.

    The prosecutor, Kevin James, tried to persuade the judge, Joel M. Goldberg, that remarks like the one about “Training Day” had nothing to do with the arrest. “It goes into artistic interpretations to a movie, directorship, actors,” Mr. James said.

    “I don’t think it’s enlightening.” The judge replied, “If you want to redirect and the witness says I liked it because of the cinematography, he can say that.”

    Officer Ettienne said he is now being careful to mask his identity on the Web and that he has curbed his tongue because of the acquittal. “I feel it’s partially my fault,” he said. “It paints a picture of a person who could be overly aggressive. You put that together, it’s reasonable doubt in anybody’s mind.”

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    Whether we like it or not that is the reality of he world we currently live in. I know several LEO's and ex LEO's that got in trouble for some shit posted on the web. The average non LEO does'nt want or need to know that we even watched Training Day, let alone joke about it being a training film.

    He didn't get in a bind for his thoughts, he got in a bind for his immature actions, ie; posting shit for everybody to see. And the steroid use..........yea, right. As cops we don't believe stupid shit, then we expect the public to.

    It sounds like he was a little slow on the uptake of opsec and persec.
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    A friend of mine was told that if he wanted to contintue to work for St. Louis PD, he had to remove his Myspace account and any internet conversations the he might have on open forums must be kept completely anonymous. My brother was told the same thing when he joined Austin PD. They haven't hit me yet with the Department of Interior, but it is only a matter of time.

    A lot of people wonder why many of us don't use our real names around here. A lot of cops can't be open and honest about a lot of our views unless we remain anonymous.

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    He's not getting screwed, his being held accountable for poor judgement.

    Stay off Myspace, Facebook, et al, unless you'd be proud to have what's written there read aloud in court.

    Be careful elsewhere, even where there's a perceived anonymity.

    LE applicants in most places are now being required to disclose email accounts, social networking pages, forum IDs, and other related info as part of the application and continuing background process. There should be no surprises.

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    I have no Facebook account and do not want one.

    If I had one, work or hobbies would never be discussed.

    Hell, since I went back into our enforcement section, I have to be careful who is sitting nearby when I am at the Arbys or Subway with a co-worker discussing active cases and make sure and redact any names or too specific locations.

    Never know when it is a co-worker of the guy I am citing or a legislator friend of his or a lawyer sitting nearby.

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    it's a two part package.

    Don't put anything on the net that you don't want your boss, clients, supporters, or detractors to see, because they will find it.

    LEO's are held to higher standard period. it's a blessing and a curse. Lol how many times do LEO's tell people: "jeez that was an incredible display of idiocy; just what in the helll were you thinking?" For any LEO that has a myspace page for facebook page, the same thing could be said.

    Sorry but have to extend that idea a bit further. For anyone here that is participating with a quasi-LEO website named "Policelinks", pls be extremely careful. The site is organized and funded by the same person that built Monster.com and also is a fanatical gun control individiual. an LEO linked me to that site and after watching the site for two days, I immediately tried to back out and close my account, put them on my scam list and tried to block all gigo routes. many others are doing the same. So use caution if you are at that site.


    ps.........didn't mean to threadjack, and if needed, this post can be deleted.
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    This is a good wake up call. A lot of LEO still do not understand the internet/computers at a level they need to.

    If you learn nothing else about the internet/computers, learn this.....once an electronic record gets into to the "wild" odds are it will be around forever. And more importantly...It can and will be found.

    Yahoo/Google/Hotmail etc...all free mail services...NOT SECURE. they are not going to fight a court order for your records. Same goes for Facebook, myspace etc.

    Another thing to understand (assuming you do not) is services like Facebook/myspace by default are designed to share your life with the WORLD.

    I know it might not seem related, but if you really want to see this in action, go over to http://www.groklaw.net/ and read up on the SCO vs IBM case. Even if you do not understand all the geeky aspects of that case, the lesson is how copies of electronic evidence was still available after it was assumed to no longer exist.

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    How about this one I've been following on a 1911 forum.

    http://www.news-journalonline.com/Ne...AG02030609.htm

    It's a story about how a SWAT officer shot himself in the leg while reholstering his 1911 during a training day.

    Initial responses to the story were supportive of the officer..."Accidents happen, etc..."

    This prophetic comment was made...
    To read some of the responses to the article, you would think that if you are an expert, it could never happen to you.

    A dash of ignorance, a measure of arrogance, and a pinch of cockiness = accident waiting to happen.
    ...before this link to a YouTube video the officer made of himself was posted:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3y97F_xv1g

    After watching the video and developing a less supportive opinion of this officer, I noticed he had his own website listed in the credits (yes his self-made YouTube video had credits) at the end of the vid.

    http://www.szaboinc.com/

    Now once the YouTube video and this guy's webpage selling knives and "Tactical Gear" (you'll especially love the gloves with the rear view mirror on them so you can "watch your 6") came out, the tenor of the comments suddenly turned from being supportive to ridiculing the guy.

    Now, no one on that website knows this cop as far as I know, but just one little thread like that with the videos it now contains was enough to turn the wave of public opinion against this guy. Maybe he's an alright guy but he certainly isn't someone I'd really be wanting on a SWAT team based on the things HE HIMSELF POSTED.

    My dad used to tell me, "Don't do something unless you wouldn't care if Jesus himself was standing right next to you while you do it." Now it should be, "Don't do something and post it on the internet unless you really want it to screw up your life!"
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    You don't change peoples minds by reinforcing stereotypes.

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    I always say don't put anything online you wouldn't want to see on the 6 o clock news.

    It is just amazing the things that people put online of themselves.

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    If I were to describe cyberspace in one word, it would be: DISCOVERABLE.
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