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    Quote Originally Posted by panzerr View Post
    And I am interested in wounding and incompacitation. Anyone that would say they want to kill is a sociopath or a fool. Would you want to live with that on your conscious? Not an easy thing to do, no matter how justified.

    Bird shot is for birds. Do you want to get shot with it? It would ruin your day.
    If you are using a gun, that means your life is threatened, they probably have a weapon. If you wound them, are they too wounded to use the weapon or did you get them "just enough." That wouldn't be a gamble I would want to take. There are alot of highly knowledgeable people in this thread and I would take their advice

    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant
    Sure. You shoot me with bird shot and I will shoot you with a 75gr TAP. Want to bet who loses that fight??
    now that is funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    To the OP, I understand your budget and what you want to do. So here is my advice.

    1. Find a quality used Colt, LMT, Noveske, Charles Daly, etc.
    2. Or buy an LMT upper or BCM upper and a LMT lower (or buy a custom built lower).
    3. Buy an MI #1 and install it into the FSB.
    4. Buy a SureFire G2.
    5. Buy a VLTOR G Series mount or the SF M79 mount and install it on the MI #1
    6. Buy a Trijicon CP25F (Tritium front sight).

    By my calculations, you can get all of the above for under or around $1,200

    Any extra money, buy mags and ammo. Seek out trained people in the regional training group section of this site and get some experience with using the weapon.



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    Attempting to get this back on track.......

    Do you have links to places where these parts can be purchased?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuckatelli View Post
    Attempting to get this back on track.......

    Do you have links to places where these parts can be purchased?
    www.GRTactical.com

    I don't know about the used rifles but I believe Grant can fix you up with the rest. I got my CD M4LE from him, excellent service, very knowledgeable and helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by panzerr View Post
    As you so eloquently pointed out, I'm completely uneducated. You win this pissing match. I'm not going to argue my points with someone that "has been to a class."
    Shhhhhhhhhhhh! How does that go.....its better to be quite and thought a fool than to .............well you probably know the rest.

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    Like others have said, get your core rifle first with the $1200. Then get a couple of Pmags and some ammo. The very next item to get is a light.

    If you can, try to get a rifle with a ff rail handguard already installed. That way you don't have to buy tools along with everything else on your limited budget.

    As for the light, I'd recommend getting a Surefire G2 and then change the head on it to a Cree LED. That thing will be ultra-bright and you can have less than $50 invested in it.

    Good luck, and don't forget to give your wife a hug after you get the rifle. She's obviously a good woman.
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    Buy a big black dog and a pallet of dog food! That is also a great deterent to bad guys coming into the house! I have 80 lbs of slobber that sleeps inside the front door.

    He may not look like much of a tough-guy in this particular setting.... but be a stranger on our property and see what he turns into. You will not be getting out of your car until we come remove him from your way, and you can feel your internal organs vibrate when he barks at you through the door. Most vistiters we get won't go near him. Gas companies won't come unless we are here (They call), no one really seems to want to challange his bark to see what the bite may be like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Myself & MANY others would love you try and tell us why birdshot or handgun ammo is better than the .223 (especially after the pics I posted).


    C4
    As I've seen in the past, I've sure there are plenty of people here that would LOVE to jump on someone that has an opinion that differs from you or a few other prominent posters, overlooking the validity of some points just to get a few jabs in.

    As per the original conversation, I don't buy into the AR being the best home defense platform. It has more to do with weapon retention while maneuvering inside confined spaces than with ballistics.

    A pistol is much easier to keep readily accessible in your bedroom. I have a gunvault on my nightstand which keeps my pistol safe from kids and in a convenient place for me to get to it in the night if I were to need it.

    If I heard some screams coming from a room in my house and the sounds of a scuffle, I wouldn't go for your 'safe room' as you learned in your class. I would keep my pistol close to my side, muzzle forward and my reaction hand at the ready to fend off someone that tried to surprise and grapple me while I maneuvered through the house. With my reaction hand ready to block and a pistol in my firing hand, I could still execute blocks and strikes with the pistol if need be.

    The worst thing that could happen in a scenario like this is loosing control of my firearm (being that I would be alone) and it would be more difficult to keep positive control of an AR than a pistol as both hands would be tied up with the weapon, not to mention the size of the AR makes it a larger target for an assailant.

    Your ballistics gelatin photos are neat, don't get me wrong, but walls are not made of ballistics gelatin. They are build of sheetrock, screws, nails, studs, plywood, tyvek, insulation, electrical wires and some sort of siding. I've seen many round nose 45 ACP pistol rounds fired at 800 fps get lodged in 3.5 inches of wood. If you were to drop the velocity to 600 fps (or as low as it will go while still cycling the action) and use non jacketed round you would seriously reduce the possibility of over-penetration. A 5.56 mm round would zip through a stud wall, and while it may fragment, those fragments are still traveling upwards of 1000 fps or more. That can still kill. I would need to see a real test setup with people shooting through stud walls before I would be convinced that a rifle round is indeed safer than a pistol round firing through a wall. And even then I would still use a pistol for home defense -again because if you loose control of that weapon you and your family are dead and it is easier to maintain positive control of a pistol.

    Before someone else chimes in with another brilliant jab at birdshot think of this: can you continue a fight without eyes? My karate instructor of several years reiterates this point from time to time -if you are ever assailed by a larger opponent, take out his eyes. One cannot fight without eyes. If you use birdshot and fire high center mass, you are going to **** someone up -possibly blinding them. That WILL stop them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by panzerr View Post
    As you so eloquently pointed out, I'm completely uneducated. You win this pissing match. I'm not going to argue my points with someone that "has been to a class."
    Congratulations!! First thing you've been correct on in the entire thread
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