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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    Still have the Gemtax to contend with now though. If the whole can needs replacing, you're stuck with the $200 plus the wait for approval all over again.

    I don't know if Surefire's cores are replaceable.

    Most companies would just make you a new can with the existing serial number. If the manufacturer is destroying the old product due to defect or warranty they can reuse the same serial number as long as it's going on the same product and that product is going back to the same customer.


    Had the same thing happen when I've had defective lowers from a company....just made me a new lower with the old serial number. No transfer was needed.


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    Private citizens, dealers and manufacturers writing letters to the ATF have certainly clouded the issue of warranty replacement for all sorts of serialized pieces, including suppressors.

    Hopefully they will reverse their stupidity in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USMC03 View Post
    Most companies would just make you a new can with the existing serial number. If the manufacturer is destroying the old product due to defect or warranty they can reuse the same serial number as long as it's going on the same product and that product is going back to the same customer.


    Had the same thing happen when I've had defective lowers from a company....just made me a new lower with the old serial number. No transfer was needed.


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    That's no longer allowed by ATF. AAC was ****ing with the Gemtards, and teh Gemtards forced the issue with ATF. Now if your can gets ****ed up, you CAN NOT have the serial number reissued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USMC03 View Post


    Had the same thing happen when I've had defective lowers from a company....just made me a new lower with the old serial number. No transfer was needed.


    This is no longer true.
    "Not every thing on Earth requires an aftermarket upgrade." demigod/markm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagner View Post
    Remember, any .556 silencer on a 10.5" barrel will last only a third of the life of the same silencer on a 14.5" or longer barrel.

    The best .556 silencers are Knight's Armament and Ops Inc.

    The AAC M4-2000 is as good or better than those two.

    It is quieter and has a just as good if not better mounting system.

    It is just as durable.

    It has a full lifetime warranty.
    "Not every thing on Earth requires an aftermarket upgrade." demigod/markm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagner View Post
    Remember, any .556 silencer on a 10.5" barrel will last only a third of the life of the same silencer on a 14.5" or longer barrel.
    While SBRs are truly abusive to suppressor on a whole, are you stating this from personal experience? Or just repeating what you heard/read?

    To quanitfy across all brands that "they will last only a third of the life..." is being pretty generalized with no factual data.

    What do you mean by "last"

    Blast baffle eroded? Blown Out?

    A % Reduced in suppression? Etc?

    End Cap strike?

    Baffle strikes?

    End Cap blown?

    Actual catastrophic failure of the baffles/tube/endcap all together?



    The best .556 silencers are Knight's Armament and Ops Inc.
    That is your opinion, there is no "best" silencer. It depends on a multitude of variables as some have already listed.

    Price, Weight, Overal Suppresion, Overal Length, POI/POA shifts, availability, attachment method, flash reduction, how it mounts to your barrel, how it mounts to the flash hider, durability testing, expected firing schedule, and above all else EMOTION and COOL FACTOR are some of the variables.

    And usually, the last 2, dominate the average suppressor buyer's decision.

    I've owned all three versions of the KAC 5.56 suppressor, and also 4 different version of OPS cans, and they are all great - but I'd never call any of them the best, but this of course, is my 2cents.
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    SHIVAN, markm, scottryan,


    Thanks for the info, I was unaware things had changed in regards to manufacturers reissuing serial numbers.

    Anyone know when and why the change on reissued serial numbers went into effect?


    Thanks


    S/F,
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    Quote Originally Posted by USMC03 View Post
    Anyone know when and why the change on reissued serial numbers went into effect?
    Before we get the peanut gallery....

    Basically, Gemtech continued to write to the ATF in regard to certain things that AAC was doing with Gemtech cans, and Gemtech serial numbers.

    On one hand AAC was providing a service that their customers wanted, but on the other hand they were "replacing" a Gemtech can with a AAC can using the Gemtech serial number and model name.

    So Gemtech asked ATF to intervene, which they did, but in a asinine way. The ATF, in their infinite wisdom, stated that manufacturers could not destroy a serialized NFA item, reconstitute it with new parts and re-issue the new part with the destroyed item's serial number.

    Pretty much killing lifetime warranty replacements for free....

    Now if your Surefire gets toasted for some oddball reason, and SF wants to replace it -- they will have to register a new serial #, and you will have to pat $200 to get it transferred back to you.

    The peanut gallery calls this the Gemtax. In reality, AAC and Gemtech are both equally at fault for their actions and the reaction of the ATF.


    ETA: Apparently there was some back-story prior to the events above, but I don't know what those were. I just remember the above playing out, and having a convo with my reviewer about it at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVAN View Post
    The peanut gallery calls this the Gemtax.
    Well I don't appreciate the peanut gallery crack. I do recognize the silly behavior of AAC.

    There's no question who dragged the ATF into the pissing contest. It was GEMTEC. The GEMTARDS should have known the outcome. Shit. I could have called that one. Anyone who drags the ATF into a situation deserves a swift kick in the cock.

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    It turns out that was NOT AAC testing the Gemtech can. That video was part of MUCH larger test where the other results were not revealed, partly due to the POOR performance of one can and the GREAT performance of another. The people who leaked that portion of the video leaked the only part they felt "good" about.

    Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball...

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