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    Quote Originally Posted by 30 cal slut View Post
    +1.

    while it's fun to watch the uproar on the interblab (TOS is certainly not the only site where people will say they "hate the chart and all it stands for") I hope that the industry is paying attention, and incorporating some of the more critical features on the chart (like carrier key staking).

    the chart, from a manufacturer's perspective, CAN BE a useful marketing tool. manufacturers want to see how they stack up vs. the competition, and i'm sure they're watching growing consumer awareness of desired features.

    what's wrong if more builders increase the number of milspec features in their products as a result of The Chart? i hope that the Chart becomes more inaccurate as each day passes, with more X's filling the right side of the table.

    we all win when that happens.
    I think the Charles Daly M4 rifles are a good example of this. I really don't know much about CD, but it seemed to have an odd brand position, kind of cheap stuff- just got that as a feeling from reading about them. CD is brand new to ARs and it seems like more than a few people "charted" it and I don't know what their sales numbers are, but people seem to think of it as a credible rifle based on its features. Seems SW adjested features to better cover some of the attributes.
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    1. went and read TOS thread
    2. immediately stabbed myself in the spleen


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    Whole lot of Gumps (forrest Gump ) in that thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ra2bach View Post
    I know what the chart is. but arguing about it is about as rational as looking at the side of a food jar and arguing with the table of contents.

    it's not about judgments or recommendations, it's just a list of what is there. that was my point.
    Gotcha. And my "genuises" comment was not directed at you but the multitude of children on TOS that cant admit that they screwed the pooch.

    The way that you posted seemed like an honest question. As sarcastic an SOB as I am, some times I miss it when someone else does it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    I think the Charles Daly M4 rifles are a good example of this. I really don't know much about CD, but it seemed to have an odd brand position, kind of cheap stuff- just got that as a feeling from reading about them.
    Charles Daly in my opinion decided to fill the "lot of gun for the money/best value niche" with their shotgun and handgun lines. That equals imported guns that work pretty well with finish as an afterthought. My truck/hunting shotgun is a CD and it's served well, not Benelli well, but considering the price....

    The thing is that once you start talking ARs, a lot of the steps that companies skip or alter to save money are pretty cheap steps, yet can make a large difference in the end result. So in order to fill that same niche of a lot of gun for the money in the AR market, you have to produce a relatively high quality weapon.

    Given the price difference between one of the higher quality brands and a lesser brand, and the products they each offer, the value lies with the better guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thopkins22 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand
    I think the Charles Daly M4 rifles are a good example of this. I really don't know much about CD, but it seemed to have an odd brand position, kind of cheap stuff- just got that as a feeling from reading about them.
    Charles Daly in my opinion decided to fill the "lot of gun for the money/best value niche" with their shotgun and handgun lines. That equals imported guns that work pretty well with finish as an afterthought. My truck/hunting shotgun is a CD and it's served well, not Benelli well, but considering the price....

    The thing is that once you start talking ARs, a lot of the steps that companies skip or alter to save money are pretty cheap steps, yet can make a large difference in the end result. So in order to fill that same niche of a lot of gun for the money in the AR market, you have to produce a relatively high quality weapon.

    Given the price difference between one of the higher quality brands and a lesser brand, and the products they each offer, the value lies with the better guns.
    I believe its a case where Charles Daly Defense has tried to differentiate its self from Charles Daly in that it appears that they are going for the most bang for the buck by listening to the end user community and then doing what they can to produce the weapons with as many of the features and quality control as is possible for the price point that the buyers desire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HES View Post
    I believe its a case where Charles Daly Defense has tried to differentiate its self from Charles Daly in that it appears that they are going for the most bang for the buck by listening to the end user community and then doing what they can to produce the weapons with as many of the features and quality control as is possible for the price point that the buyers desire.
    I wonder if they did a lot of research, or just read the threads here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    I wonder if they did a lot of research, or just read the threads here.
    Reading all the pertinent threads at M4C is doing a lot of research ...

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    re: Charles Daly.

    Threads like this one

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=328468

    say a lot about a manufacturer.

    In this particular case, a manufacturer who is actively soliciting feedback on an open internet forum.
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