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    Quote Originally Posted by irishluck73 View Post
    Never really looked at that site before and now I'm glad I didn't... sounds like a bunch of 12 year old girls whining and bitching that they bought the wrong Barbie doll!

    I've been watching parts of that site slowly sink into the abyss for years. There are still reasons for me to go there - some of the other forum sections, the local stuff, and, of course, pictures of new stuff.

    But generally speaking, while I am not and have never been a Colt fanboy, the anti-Colt ranting served as a warning, prompting me to spend most of my time elsewhere. One day I realized that I had not visited in a year or two, and went back to find stuff like this:

    "Just what the hell makes a LaRue rail cost so much more than UTG anyways?"
    "Where can I get a fake silencer?"
    "Where can I find a good, durable red dot for under $50?"
    "Aimpoints are overpriced crap, and all you guys who hate Leapers are just snobs"

    .. and so on. That just confirmed my previous opinion. There is good info here and there, and a lot of moderators here and on other respected forums are mods there as well... but it is increasingly hard to separate out the junk. I suppose it serves a purpose, by giving them a place to congregate.

    And it all comes down to mindset. If you purchased an AR for punching paper or photo ops then I really have to wonder where your head is. Every weapon I have serves one purpose first- PUTTING ROUNDS DOWN RANGE on someone or thing. The only one that doesn't fit that role is the Ruger 10/22.
    Indeed.

    It's sort of funny; despite all the mall-ninjaesque fantasies and chest thumping flying around (come on, who doesn't want to cap some zombies!), many of those same people buy cheap junk and then start foaming at the mouth about "you'll never shoot anything but paper" when you point that out... They're fundamentally not serious about it, they have an AR with rails and doodads so they can show it off and try to look badass.
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    Gosh I love these threads. I am ALWAYS amazed at how much people do not get or understand about the chart.

    Here are the simple truths:

    1. The chart is NOT saying your AR sucks.
    2. You do not have to sell your AR if it does not do well on the chart.
    3. Yes, the TDP calls out proper staking of things.
    4. No the chart was not written for Colt.
    5. The TDP is the lowest standard allowable for a fighting tool.
    6. The Chart only shows COMPLETE weapons (not uppers).
    7. Manufacturers that do NOT consistently stake their gas keys and castle nuts do not get a check mark in those boxes.
    8. Black extractor inserts are not all the same! Most companies (LIKE RRA), simply get blue extractor inserts (read softer) in black. They do not have the same density as say an LMT or BCM black extractor insert!
    9. If you use your AR to shoot dirt and impress your brother-in-law at Christmas, pay NO ATTENTION to the chart.


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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Gosh I love these threads. I am ALWAYS amazed at how much people do not get or understand about the chart.

    Here are the simple truths:

    1. The chart is NOT saying your AR sucks.
    2. You do not have to sell your AR if it does not do well on the chart.
    3. Yes, the TDP calls out proper staking of things.
    4. No the chart was not written for Colt.
    5. The TDP is the lowest standard allowable for a fighting tool.
    6. The Chart only shows COMPLETE weapons (not just uppers).
    7. Manufacturers that do NOT consistently stake their gas keys and castle nuts do not get a check mark in those boxes.
    8. Black extractor inserts are not the same! Most companies (LIKE RRA), simply get blue extractor inserts (read softer) in black. They do not have the same density as say an LMT or BCM black extractor insert!
    9. If you use your AR to shoot dirt and impress your brothe-in-law at Christmas, pay NO ATTENTION to the chart.


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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Gosh I love these threads. I am ALWAYS amazed at how much people do not get or understand about the chart.

    Here are the simple truths:

    1. The chart is NOT saying your AR sucks.
    2. You do not have to sell your AR if it does not do well on the chart.
    3. Yes, the TDP calls out proper staking of things.
    4. No the chart was not written for Colt.
    5. The TDP is the lowest standard allowable for a fighting tool.
    6. The Chart only shows COMPLETE weapons (not just uppers).
    7. Manufacturers that do NOT consistently stake their gas keys and castle nuts do not get a check mark in those boxes.
    8. Black extractor inserts are not the same! Most companies (LIKE RRA), simply get blue extractor inserts (read softer) in black. They do not have the same density as say an LMT or BCM black extractor insert!
    9. If you use your AR to shoot dirt and impress your brothe-in-law at Christmas, pay NO ATTENTION to the chart.


    C4

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    Your AR sucks. LOL...

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Gosh I love these threads. I am ALWAYS amazed at how much people do not get or understand about the chart.

    Here are the simple truths:

    1. The chart is NOT saying your AR sucks.
    2. You do not have to sell your AR if it does not do well on the chart.
    3. Yes, the TDP calls out proper staking of things.
    4. No the chart was not written for Colt.
    5. The TDP is the lowest standard allowable for a fighting tool.
    6. The Chart only shows COMPLETE weapons (not just uppers).
    7. Manufacturers that do NOT consistently stake their gas keys and castle nuts do not get a check mark in those boxes.
    8. Black extractor inserts are not the same! Most companies (LIKE RRA), simply get blue extractor inserts (read softer) in black. They do not have the same density as say an LMT or BCM black extractor insert!
    9. If you use your AR to shoot dirt and impress your brothe-in-law at Christmas, pay NO ATTENTION to the chart.


    C4


    Good post.Rob should put this as a side note on the Chart.

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    My AR sucks. It's OK, I am good with it.

    Anyone want to trade 3 brand X clones of mine for a LMT or DD?

    Just kidding, I won't trade my brand X AR's for anything, I love each one of them!.... I'll just go buy another one, like a DD or LMT!

    I don't think I'll ever buy a colt....for some reason, I see the DDM4 as being pretty nicely set up with all the Lariet options added... but for the price of the XLT. (I'm talking Ford Superduty truck option packages...lol). So for a bit more than a Colt, I wait until I have the cash and they are available... and I grab up a DDM4! I have 3 XL models with rubber floor mats and hand crank windows...(Stag, Bush and CDD D-M4), next one is going to be a show piece.
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    Due to the information on the chart

    I was ready to buy a Stag 2T on the recommendation of a employee at a local gun shop. I found this site and took a long look at "the chart." Found and bought an LMT Defender instead. Thanks for the chart/tool which helped me make a more informed purchase Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rat31465 View Post
    I was ready to buy a Stag 2T on the recommendation of a employee at a local gun shop. I found this site and took a long look at "the chart." Found and bought an LMT Defender instead. Thanks for the chart/tool which helped me make a more informed purchase Rob.
    Yea, I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of people complaining about the chart saw the chart after they bought their AR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_Friday View Post
    Not so much a "table of contents" as a reference guide that was made and put put to assist people for free.

    What a bunch of geniuses

    Oh and by the way Rob, Thanks for the chart! If nothing else it sure does stir up a lot $hit on TOS!!!
    I know what the chart is. but arguing about it is about as rational as looking at the side of a food jar and arguing with the table of contents.

    it's not about judgments or recommendations, it's just a list of what is there. that was my point.
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