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    Not Confrontational, Just Asking...

    why is it that on this forum and several others i visit, i see many questions concerning converting a gas impingement gun to piston ? the cost is sometimes quite high and most are beyond the kitchen table conversions, and if not done properly can ruin a good upper, why not buy a piston upper and save the G.I. for a rainy day or sell it to recover some of the cost of buying the piston upper.

    like i said in the title, i am Not Being Confrontational, i am Just Asking !?!?

    like in the movie "The Blues Brothers", at the C&W bar the lady said, "we have both kinds..., Country and Western"

    you too can have both kinds "Gas AND Piston"

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    I guess for some, it would be the "jonesing effect", while for others it would be the search for the "better upper". It keeps the BRD alive and well doesn't it.

    Regardless, you will do well with either one.

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    hurdles

    My issue was convincing my wife I needed a diffrent one. Then I had to sell the old one and that can take time. After it sold then I was without a gun and now Im on a waiting list thats 6 months long.

    I think thats why the conversion is appleaing to some

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    I think the main reason I did it was because of options. If you buy a Piston upper you can't do anything with it, as is so to speak. If you buy a piston upper it is what the manufacturer builds. That might now be what you want or need. Options, it is all about options and personal preferences. I also like certain parts by certain manufacturers. If you retro-fit the upper you have and like it just makes it better. Also no one make a Noveske Piston upper, so I have to.
    In no way do I make any money from anyone related to the firearms industry.


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    I like some of the possible advantages to a piston gun but have not jumped on the bandwagon yet. As of this point I've seen a couple that were not as reliable as my DI weapons. I've heard or read of several failures as well. I' guess I'm just waiting for all of the bugs to be worked out and then I will try one out. I should add that in over 25 years of shooting I have never felt that the AR series was unreliable or needed a major change to be considered combat worthy. Mine work well so I've not found it necessary to look at other systems.
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    Most conversions are far cheaper than buying the upper, and several just drop in. Id rather pay 400 for a conversion, that 1200 for an upper(or more) and wait a year to get it, but fortunately I have no need for a piston conversion, DI works just fine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICANHITHIMMAN View Post
    My issue was convincing my wife I needed a diffrent one. Then I had to sell the old one and that can take time. After it sold then I was without a gun and now Im on a waiting list thats 6 months long.

    I think thats why the conversion is appleaing to some
    Which one are you waiting for? LWRC's are all over the place, or did you order LMT or something?

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    Read my post about converting a S&W M&P15T, huh?

    Fact is, I got a KILLER deal on the S&W (it was my college wingman's - a used rifle with only 300 rounds through it, plus a TangoDown foregrip and Beta C-Mag, for $1,800 ). Owning a POF-415 already, and having wasted enough WEEKS of my life scrubbing DI guns over the past 20 years, I thought I'd at least INQUIRE as to the feasibility of such a conversion (never hurts to ASK... or so they say...).

    Quite frankly, if I could work out a trade for another POF, I might just go THAT route! Nonetheless, that's where I find myself today, vis-a-vis piston conversions. Besides which, POF uppers alone, are now the same price (or more!) as many entry level AR's - ASSUMING you can FIND one for sale! At least a conversion is POSSIBLE. Can't slap on an upper you can't FIND!
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    There are few conversions on the market that I would trust over the DI system.

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    It is a misappropriately applied belief that nothing more than a band-aid change to the operating system will provide an overwhelming reliability increase.

    I like to remind people that the vast majority of small arms are "piston" operated, and most of them fail to be as "reliable" as the good old AR DI if everything in the DI system is good to go. The single biggest issue is not with DI, but rather with chopping 5.5 inches off of the gas system and the resulting issues that creates, given that the system was not designed to operate in that configuration.

    Sure, there are piston ARs that work well, better than the chopped CAR gas, but it is a bit of conjecture to claim that all piston ARs are superior to all DI ARs. There is also the small issue of replacement parts, and it would be naive to think that simply having a piston will make the gun indestructable.

    That being said, I am interested in a quality piston upper, but I am not willing to sacrifice any of my DI uppers to fund one.
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