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    Quote Originally Posted by mario View Post
    Know that possession of any 1 machine gun part(m16)without a registered lower is constructive possession of a machine gun per BATF.


    A short barreled upper and a non registered lower is constructive possession of a SBR.
    One single part huh, do you mean like all of the auto carriers that I own?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotm4 View Post
    Any case law to support that?
    There never is.

    Caution is prudent with NFA. But whacky echo chamber quackery irritates me.

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    When it comes to NFA, better to be safe then sorry. I had my dad (also my FFL) keep my M92 receiver till my tax stamp cleared. With Holder at the helm, do you really think it's paranoia? My dad's been collecting Class III stuff for 20yrs. and he's been a part of that community, some pretty strange "interpretations" of law come along pretty often. That is what the BATFE does, "interpretate" law...... Call me what you want, leaving a few parts at friends house is a small inconvenience compared to fines, time at Club Fed, and never legally owning a gun again. My $.02.

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    Any NFA parts you'll be using in your build must be stored at a separate location so's they are not "readily accessible". To avoid a possible stay at Camp Graybar, a huge fine, and a felony conviction you should have a friend or relative hold them until you get the tax stamp.

    Also, for those that are going to argue their Colt AR15 has an M16 bolt carrier, they are correct. The ATF granted Colt a waiver but the carrier is the only M16 part in their ARs.
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    And on the subject of Bolt Carriers, if you don't own a Colt AR or F/A by any manufacturer your spare carrier(s) should be of the semi variety. To purchase a F/A bolt carrier from Bushmaster you must provide them with a FFL or Tax stamp (per their web-site)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mario View Post
    Also, for those that are going to argue their Colt AR15 has an M16 bolt carrier, they are correct. The ATF granted Colt a waiver but the carrier is the only M16 part in their ARs.
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    And on the subject of Bolt Carriers, if you don't own a Colt AR or F/A by any manufacturer your spare carrier(s) should be of the semi variety.
    A couple of years ago John Noveske made an upper for me. It came with an M16 carrier. According to his website, he still builds them that way.

    I believe that the M16-BCG-in-an-AR-15 waiver applies to all AR-15s, not just Colts.

    Quote Originally Posted by mario View Post
    To purchase a F/A bolt carrier from Bushmaster you must provide them with a FFL or Tax stamp (per their web-site)
    This is not a BATFE requirement. Some suppliers, such as Bushmaster, require that you provide the appropriate NFA paperwork to purchase NFA parts. Some suppliers, such as Brownells, don’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mario View Post
    And on the subject of Bolt Carriers, if you don't own a Colt AR or F/A by any manufacturer your spare carrier(s) should be of the semi variety. To purchase a F/A bolt carrier from Bushmaster you must provide them with a FFL or Tax stamp (per their web-site)
    Just because Bushmaster does that does not mean that they have too, or that if your weapon came with a S/A that you cant switch to a F/A. Simply put, at this time there is no nation wide law that prohibits you from any carrier you want. I cant speak for all states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exkc135driver View Post
    A couple of years ago John Noveske made an upper for me. It came with an M16 carrier. According to his website, he still builds them that way.
    He does indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by exkc135driver View Post
    I believe that the M16-BCG-in-an-AR-15 waiver applies to all AR-15s, not just Colts.

    There is a thread (actually a couple of them) that covers this subject. In at least one of the threads, Grant has posted a copy of a letter from the ATF stating that F/A carriers are legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jp0319 View Post
    Ok so with that school of thought I should just buy all the stuff and keep it as parts in a box until the NFA stuff is sorted?
    IMHO, that would probably be the safest course-of-action. While the chances of the ATF knowing that you had an "SBR upper" and then prosecuting you for it may be pretty small. Why would anyone want to put themselves in a situation where they can become the Defendant of such Case Law for something that they cannot use is beyond me.

    My suggestion would be that you get the registered lower first and then assemble the upper once you get the paperwork in. It's not like it will take more than a couple of hours to do assemble it anyway (I've assembled a couple of uppers myself). JM2CW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mario View Post
    And on the subject of Bolt Carriers, if you don't own a Colt AR or F/A by any manufacturer your spare carrier(s) should be of the semi variety. To purchase a F/A bolt carrier from Bushmaster you must provide them with a FFL or Tax stamp (per their web-site)
    You're talking about corporate policy, not law. A lot of current manufacturers ship their rifles with M-16 BCGs. The reason is these by themselves do not allow an AR-15 to fire full-auto. But you do need them for your M-16 to do so.
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