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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    No, he's just not improving his hammer split times at all with his full power 5.56 loads because he's getting used to shooting hammers with no recoil.
    i find that funny. whenever someone asks about which muzzle brake reduces muzzle flip/recoil, someone will always chime in saying that .223 doesn't have any recoil worth reducing.

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    FWIW, I still think most people's 5.56 recoil problems are related to stance and technique, and a brake still wouldn't help those with issues in that department. Very few of our top-level shooters are running with a brake, and the millisecond that it may save you at our events have never made the difference between 1st and 2nd place.

    But, a .22 AR literally just about doesn't recoil at all, which makes the dynamic of finding your sights and getting them back on target a whole lot different than with a 5.56, which is what I am cautioning others about based on what I've been observing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    FWIW, I still think most people's 5.56 recoil problems are related to stance and technique, and a brake still wouldn't help those with issues in that department.
    that's absolutely true, in my case at least. but what i found the .22LR useful for is to identify what part of my technique is contributing to movement OTHER than recoil. if i'm hitting all over the target with a .22LR, it's not because of recoil. i could be flinching, jerking the trigger, not waiting till my sight is on target etc.
    when i shoot my .22LR upper, i use the same stance, hold, grip pressure etc as i do with the 5.56 upper - i try not to 'cheat' because of the lack of recoil, which i found myself doing in the past.
    i've found that working on my basics with the .22LR improves my shooting with the 5.56, when shooting in the same session. the only thing different is the addition of recoil management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by militarymoron View Post
    that's absolutely true, in my case at least. but what i found the .22LR useful for is to identify what part of my technique is contributing to movement OTHER than recoil. if i'm hitting all over the target with a .22LR, it's not because of recoil. i could be flinching, jerking the trigger, not waiting till my sight is on target etc.
    when i shoot my .22LR upper, i use the same stance, hold, grip pressure etc as i do with the 5.56 upper - i try not to 'cheat' because of the lack of recoil, which i found myself doing in the past.
    i've found that working on my basics with the .22LR improves my shooting with the 5.56, when shooting in the same session. the only thing different is the addition of recoil management.

    Agree 100%. The value of the .22, to me, is isolating the basics of marksmanship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Agree 100%. The value of the .22, to me, is isolating the basics of marksmanship.
    ... and doing it at 1/10th the cost of 5.56.

    For me, the value is going to the range twice as much for a fifth of the cost. If nothing else, general familiarity with my weapon is a good, good thing.

    Bimmer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bimmer;
    349110general familiarity with my weapon is a good, good thing.
    I don't mean to keep belaboring this point, but the issue for me is that you can get bad familiarity.

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    I got my CMMG conversion kit about 2 months ago. I find that if I shoot at least 10-20 rounds of full power 223 after a session of .22 practice, it keeps me aware of the recoil/grip/sight picture difference between the 2 calibers. It also keeps seems to keep the barrel and gas tube cleaned out.

    I try to keep the mutiple shot drills to a minumum when using the kit. It's a lot more effective training for single shot drills.

    Gringop

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I don't mean to keep belaboring this point, but the issue for me is that you can get bad familiarity.
    Yes, you're right, and I know it.

    I'm just saying that shooting .22lr is a really cheap and easy way to build very basic familarity. I'm new to the AR, and I'm simply getting used to the trigger, sight picture, controls, cheek weld, etc.

    It's also a great way to introduce others to the platform. I let a new-to-guns guy shoot .22s through my AR last time I was out, and he had a blast. The blast and recoil of 5.56 is intimidating to people who have never shot before. At some point my little girl will use this, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I don't mean to keep belaboring this point, but the issue for me is that you can get bad familiarity.
    I think you're right to an extent, but - I've noticed that when I shoot a lot of .22 pistol, my .45 shooting improves, even though I'm not doing the same manipulations. I'm contemplating buying a Kimber .22 so it IS the same.

    I'm trying to work out how to use the AR kit so that it won't screw up my technique. I think the trick will be to hold hard the same way I do with 5.56, and not get lazy because of the lack of recoil.

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    I use the CMMG AR conversion with BD mags and the Kimber 22 conversion for my 1911. I use them to keep the fundamentals strong. I usually shoot some 45 and 223 somewhere in the training session. I think if them as my not so dry, dry fire drills.

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