cz 75 phantom vs. glock 17

[jc75754]

I like both of these pistols and have read nothing but good reviews on both. If you could only choose one which would it be?

[cathellsk]

Glock 17. Simple, rugged, accurate, reliable, easy to work on, parts availability.....etc. Nothing but praise for it.

[Ricardus]

If you're going to buy tupperware, make sure it at least looks pretty. Get the CZ 75 Phantom. You can get 19 round mags and so capacity is not an issue. The grip is much more ergonomic than the Glock 17 which is like holding on to cricket bat handle.

[Ricardus]

If you're going to buy tupperware, make sure it at least looks pretty. Get the CZ 75 Phantom. You can get 19 mags and so capacity is not an issue. The grip is much more ergonomic than the Glock 17 which is like holding on to cricket bat handle. The CZ 75 Phantom is extremely accurate (more so than the Glock), no problem with getting parts and is a breeze to maintain.

[John_Wayne777]

I like both of these pistols and have read nothing but good reviews on both. If you could only choose one which would it be?

Without question, the Glock 17.

I offended many people on TOS when I said that the CZ guns do not have the track record that the 9mm Glocks have. None of the offended could seem to offer a valid counter argument.

The G17 (which is FAR from my favorite handgun, by the way) is by any measure a really good handgun. If I was forced to carry one from now on I'd be just fine with it.

The CZ-75 isn't a bad handgun...but as far as I can tell it doesn't offer the service life and ease of support that the G17 will. I'm certainly not going to be an advocate of being the guinea pig on a new polymer version of the SP01.

The G17 is a known quantity as much as any handgun can be. Any one sitting on gunstore shelves could be a lemon, but in general the G17s work well out of the box and there is an incredibly large knowledge base about the weapons you can draw from for support. Lots of readily available, easily replaceable parts. Lots of hicaps out there at reasonable prices.

[parishioner]

Id say Glock 17 if you can only have one since it is simple, rugged, accurate, and reliable. I have only shot one a couple of times though.

I do shoot the CZ quite often though and it points naturally and fits great in my hand. Its got that "gun" feel if you know what I mean due to the metal frame and slide.

Quick story that doesnt really have any value but it has to do with these two guns. And I like to tell it.

Guy at the range comes up to me and says "Whatcha shootin'?" I say "CZ75" he goes "yea that thing is nothing but a boat anchor" and proceeds to show me is polymer G17. He loads a mag and shoots and misses all of the six steel targets except one out of a whole magazine. I didnt say anything and then shot all six targets with 6 rounds. He didnt say anything either.

[maximus83]

If you were comparing the Glock 17 to a more proven CZ model, let's say the 75, the 85, or the SP-01 (metal version), then it's hands down, no contest, get the CZ. It's head and shoulders above the Glock IMO, a better gun in nearly every respect except for the ease of disassembly, and of getting spare parts (fortunately with CZ's, you don't need the spare parts too often, and yes, you can get them when you need them). The problem is, of course, these CZ models are all steel and much heavier than the Phantom or the G17.

When you compare a proven weapon like the G17 to a relative newcomer like the Phantom, a polymer gun which is relatively unproven in the CZ line, then it would be hard to objectively recommend the Phantom. It just hasn't been around long enough yet.

But if you want a quality, lightweight, full-sized 9mm, why limit yourself to the G17 and the Phantom? Why not also look at some other options, like the S&W M&P full-size 9mm, for instance?

[threeheadeddog]

G17

If comparing to a SP-01... G 17

BTW I am a CZ fanboy... but go ahead and try to find a quality holster for the SP-01. I'm sure the phantom will be just as bad.

FWIW I dont really agree with the way all non Glock pistols are immidiatly put in some box labled substandard because they may or may not(in basically all cases simply wont, dont, and no matter what changes may be made to the design in the future simply never will) last as long as a glock. Just because the glock my go some 100k to 200k rounds on the same gun and the m&p has been proven to go beyond the 50k mark doesnt mean that a gun like the CZ that goes 30k+(the requirement and achieved goal of the P-01 before it could become a Nato handgun) is a bad gun. CZ are known to go 30k+ on the CZ 75 and SP-01 variants as well.

Just to put things into perspective 30k of 9mm right now is about $7000. I personally find that I shoot a CZ well and will be willing to simply buy another when I reach the service limit of the pistol.

Also the CZ is pretty simple to keep running. There are a couple of known "problem points" in the design. One is the slide stop that supposidly takes quite a beating. I bought some extras to replace once I hit 10k on my SP-01 and then every 10k after that as a precaution. Though honestly I cant think of actually ever seeing or even hearing of one breaking on a 9mm CZ (I have heard of slide stops breaking on .40's). There is one other trouble point but I cant for the life of me remember what it was... maby someone else will chime in.

Also though it is technically not a prob with the gun it is something CZ shooters have to deal with. The mags are not great. I have though started using the Mec-Gar AFC mags and they seem to be good though I have only put a couple hundred rounds through them. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

BTW my sp-01 has aprox 5-6k rounds through it now. I cleaned it regularly for the first 1000 rounds or so then started shooting IDPA with it (not legal weight but club allow it for club events) and got lazy. It went 3-4k without cleaning before I started having stoppages.

But ya G17

[Marcus L.]

Glock 17, no question. I've owned 5 CZs over the years and every single one of them have had problems. Whether it be broken trigger return springs, broken slide stops, poor quality controls that effect operation, or trigger slap....CZs are not in the same league as Glock, H&K, or Sig. In fact, several of CZs competition models come with extra slide stops because, unlike the majority of CZ owners......competition shooters actually shoot their pistols in excess of 15k rounds.

CZs feel excellent in the hand, but choosing a pistol because it feels good in your hand is third in line behind reliability and durability. Your primary requirements of a defensive pistol are that it be reliable and durable......you can train with any pistol design and get used to its feel. Determination of a pistol model's reliability and durability is determined by a LARGE sample of pistols in service by people that use and abuse it such as LE or military. You will find a few passionate CZ owners that own a couple of pistols an swear by them, but then again you will find just as many that swear by Hi-Points. Small samples versus large samples.

[jc75754]

Ok I still feel like I am on the fence here, so i will elaborate on the use of the pistol. this will be a ccw/ car gun. I will probably not shoot 15,000 rds through it but I want the pistol to eat everything i feed it including the despised wolf ammo. Also how is customer service for Glock and CZ if something breaks or is defective?