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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigmax View Post
    This is won or lost in the congress.
    Exactly. And that's what makes that wombat Pelosi even more disconcerting. I think she's much more likely to spearhead anti-gun legislation than the President.

    And then, when he approves it, it will simply be "the will of the people, as voiced by their elected Representatives."

    If anyone hasn't done so already... join the N.R.A.

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    I'll believe it when I see it. I'm still stocking up on EBR parts and kit.

    This wouldn't be the first thing that Obama has said to the national press that was complete bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbldragon View Post
    ... when he approves it, it will simply be "the will of the people, as voiced by their elected Representatives."
    I think this is, to me, the most frightening part of this entire discussion. We expect a certain amount of pandering and opportunism from our elected officials, because part of "the game" here is to remain viable to a wide-enough cross section of people to stay in office (read: get re-elected). No surprises there.

    What we don't really expect is the moment in time when such restrictive legislation truly IS reflective of the will of the people -- not all of the people, obviously, but enough of them to make such things politically-viable. This is why I find it counterproductive to resort to name calling where our public officials are concerned: they are merely a reflection of where we're at as a society.

    The real problem is that the average citizen in the United States no longer has much of a connection to firearms or the Second Amendment -- this has become "somebody else's issue" to most of them. Most people read about proposed AWBs and think "well, what's the big deal with that? Who needs those kinds of weapons, anyway?" Think about it: even if you're military or LEO, how many of the people that you work with are serious shooters? How many share your positions on Black Guns? How many of your neighbors, fellow churchgoers or social connections would probably support AWB legislation simply because they don't know any better?

    My point is that this battle is likely being lost in the trenches -- not in Washington. We can, and should, make our positions clear to our elected officials, but we should also be out there explaining this to the people we share hunting grounds and public ranges with. We should learn to present a rational case to our friends and neighbors. We should have an answer ready for those who know only the side of the issue that they got from 20/20 or 60 Minutes. If we don't, or if we simply allow ourselves to become reactionary and enraged, we're going to end up a lonely -- if vocal -- minority with little hope of being taken seriously in Washington when the storm clouds form.

    Your Senator or Congressman will do whatever he feels will preserve his long-term political capital. The real question is, what will your friends, neighbors and fellow sportsmen do when their opinions are polled, and how effectively are we reaching them?

    AC
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    This thread is still open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Chief View Post
    A responsible discussion of this issue just doesn't seem to be possible without resorting to name calling and denigration of government officials, does it? Sad.

    This is not the way to be taken seriously at a time when things could not be any more serious. I'm sorry if that is construed as whizzing in anyone's Wheaties, but we didn't particularly care for the way that President Bush was crudely slandered by the Left when he was in office -- how is this really any different now?

    There is surely cause for concern, but we stand to gain nothing with this kind of banter. If we wish to be heard, we must learn to do better, gentlemen.


    Issues ... not insults.

    AC
    Agreed, calling the duly elected President of the United States names and making insinuations about his background is not the way to build support for OUR cause.
    It makes us look bad and is not respectful, yeah SOME leftists denigrated Bush, but I thought we were better then them right?

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    As much as I hate to say it, I think the fate of a new Assault Weapon Ban is in the hands of Harry Reid. He voted against the first ban and has said that he does not support a new one. What's impossible to know, however, is whether Reid's stance is based on principle or populism/survivalism. If it is the latter, then we can expect Reid to reverse his stance as soon as the winds change.

    Pelosi and Obama both want to see a new ban passed. Pelosi might have some difficulty getting it through Congress, but I think the real obstacle is Harry Reid and the Senate.

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    Lightbulb

    Here's a suggestion:
    Do a little research , start with Congress for the last couple of years: NRA grades , bills introduced , co-sponsor numbers and actual vote numbers. Check out the Heller case , especially the Amicus briefs and where/who they came from. Take a look at the CCW in National Park issue, who asked for the change? How many ? Look at the the 30 year history of CCW reform in the US. How many "shall issue' CCW laws have been repealed?

    You might be surprised.

    None of that is about ego or who knows more , it's about what's really been going on.

    Who is winning ? The gun-grabbers or the mainstream gun rights movement?

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