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    I never really thought they'd push for anything this year anyway. Although I am pleased we received somewhat a stay of execution, we're certainly not off the hook. There are PLENTY of other ways they can screw with gun owners without banning a damn thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storydude View Post
    You all might want to read this:
    http://www.oas.org/juridico/English/treaties/a-63.html

    Then re-read the Constitution.
    I'll bite. You were pretty vague in your statement, and I prefer to see actual evidence before I get out my pitchfork and light my torch. So I did some research.

    I've read both "The Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials" (aka CIFTA) as well as the US Constitution quite recently.

    The OAS Convention was originally signed by Clinton in 1997, so laying entirely at Obama's feet is disingenuous. He was still in the Illinois State Senate at the time, hardly in a position to effect international policy.

    According to the Dept. of State: "On June 9, 1998, the Convention was submitted to the U.S. Senate for its advice and consent to ratification." It still hasn't been ratified. In Article II [section 2], the Constitution gives the Senate the responsibility to ratify treaties negotiated by the President with foreign nations before they can take effect.

    I must be missing something. What part of the Constitution are you saying gives the President (any President) the authority to sign binding treaties? The Obama administration does have the authority to change Executive Branch policies to more closely align with the terms of the convention. Is that what you mean? He can't just change Federal laws, so their policies will only get them so far. Other than that, he has no real powers with regard to this issue. What he can do is have his Chief of Staff go down to the Hill and beg the Senate to ratify CIFTA. The Senate, being Democratically controlled, could possibly choose to ratify this treaty as quietly as possible in order to avoid another gun control kerfuffle. I agree that that would be bad, but it brings us back to whether Congress is willing to go down that road.
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    A responsible discussion of this issue just doesn't seem to be possible without resorting to name calling and denigration of government officials, does it? Sad.

    This is not the way to be taken seriously at a time when things could not be any more serious. I'm sorry if that is construed as whizzing in anyone's Wheaties, but we didn't particularly care for the way that President Bush was crudely slandered by the Left when he was in office -- how is this really any different now?

    There is surely cause for concern, but we stand to gain nothing with this kind of banter. If we wish to be heard, we must learn to do better, gentlemen.


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    I guess I should start with, "Begging the King's pardon...."

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    The Brady bunch made mistakes during the last ban and learned from them. There is one key issue they need to address before any ban. Registration. They need to know what we have and were it is before they enact the ban.

    Banning them before registration will let too many slip through the cracks and end up in PVC tubes and they do not want that.

    Great Britain, Australia, California, etc., all started with "harmless" registration with unkept promises. I fear the antis will follow the Brady plan and start with registration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boondocksaint View Post
    Just heard on Fox News....OBAMA has announced he will NOT ban "assault weapons"....

    Maybe somebody actually told him that "assault weapons" are used in maybe 1% of murders...and, oh by the way, something like 30% of murders are committed without ANY firearms at all!

    Oh, please let the panic buying stop...(maybe then I'll be able to get my hands on a BCM upper)
    Is this a joke post?

    Seriously?

    Obama, the congressional democrats, etc. have been going on about a ban for years now. Periodically they deny it, including removing it from their websites, etc. A week or two later, it goes back up.

    They're simply doing this as a distraction - there are MILLIONS of people who seem to be unaware of the last dozen times they pulled this stunt. They seem to repeat it more often now, about once every 2 or 3 weeks.

    This matches Obama's behavior on most of the other issues as well. They view the general population as rubes to be manipulated.

    WAKE THE HELL UP

    Furthermore, this whole nonsense about "oh, we taught them a lesson in 94" doesn't count for near as much as you think it does. Their new MO is ramming things through before they've been read; they don't need to go around shopping for votes, they only have to deal with the results... and with their drastic expansion of the welfare state and pending census shenannigans, they're not going to have to worry as much about that, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boltcatch View Post
    Is this a joke post?


    WAKE THE HELL UP

    Boltcatch....calm down...try decalf
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
    ~George Orwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by boondocksaint View Post
    Boltcatch....calm down...try decalf
    I am absolutely sick and ****ing tired of hearing "OH, hooray, now there won't be a ban because Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Holder/Santa Claus said so!' This has happened roughly every 3-4 weeks for the last few months, until the cycle resets due to some administration lackey running their mouth.

    I'm even more tired of lefty trolls registering on gun boards to say the same thing. The sad part is it's getting hard to tell the difference between those who are trolls and those are just gullible.

    They pull shit this regularly and backtrack the next week. It means nothing. Mark my words, barring a sudden an unexpected failed reelection bid or new (and favorable) SCOTUS rulings, a new ban will come up for a vote during his time in office.

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    The simple reason there won't be a ban anytime soon is they don't have the votes and they(the blue dog Dems in congress) want to ge re-elected.

    But keey on hyping everything and encouraging a defacto-ban thru shortages and high prices if it makes you feel better.

    Keep wearing out our peoples resolve by crying wolf so we are unprepared if a real moment should come if it makes you feel better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boltcatch View Post
    I'm even more tired of lefty trolls registering on gun boards to say the same thing. The sad part is it's getting hard to tell the difference between those who are trolls and those are just gullible.

    Hey boltcatch...since you didn't take the original post in the manner intended....YES, the comment about OBAMI-Nation was made with feigned enthusiasm [read sarcasm].

    The stats about murder rates is accurate, that part of the post was true.

    Also, my interest in acquiring a BCM barreled upper is also VERY true...no luck with the e-mail alerts though.

    BTW, I am a Marine and a LEO. So, for your own reassurance, I couldn't be further from a "lefty troll".

    Have a good weekend.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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