Pandemic Preparations

[sproc]

Like this guy?

[Hayduke]

I would be very careful with Colloidal Silver. I prefer not to be blue.

you're not supposed to guzzle it like beer, it shouldn't even be used as a daily suppliment. you use it when needed for maximum potency. just like any drugs/meds if you overdo it there can be major issues. hell my father's blood pressure meds plays hell with his kidneys...

[6933]

Anyone that claims colloidal silver can cure anything is nothing more than a snake-oil salesman. There are NO, NOT ONE, study that shows it is effective at treating ANYTHING. Actuall, colloidal sivler can be toxic and the effects are cumulative. So saying you shouldn't guzzle it is insincere. You could take it only every so often and STILL have health problems as a result. It does not leave your body. ITS CUMULATIVE.

The FTC recently made several companies that claimed colloidal silver has any potency against any disease, infection, parasite, etc. stop making these claims. Somebody, some company, somewhere would have mass-marketed anything that was a cure all.

SHOW ME THE PROOF! Just because you say so doesn't get it. There are plenty of honest and caring physicians that would gladly recommend colloidal silver if it worked. IT DOESN'T! There are plenty of studies that show it doesn't work. Case closed. If anyone has certifiable proof; and not the lame excuse, " The drug companies don't want you to know about it," let's see it. Certifiable as in a reputable University study or gov. study. Most people are simply too lazy too make their own even if it was effective. The drug companies would still make loads of cash. Therefore, simple logic will tell you it is a CROCK! If you don't like my arguement, prove me wrong with reliable studies and proof. Oh, I forgot. There isn't any.

[Outlander Systems]

Anyone that claims colloidal silver can cure anything is nothing more than a snake-oil salesman. There are NO, NOT ONE, study that shows it is effective at treating ANYTHING. Actuall, colloidal sivler can be toxic and the effects are cumulative. So saying you shouldn't guzzle it is insincere. You could take it only every so often and STILL have health problems as a result. It does not leave your body. ITS CUMULATIVE.

The FTC recently made several companies that claimed colloidal silver has any potency against any disease, infection, parasite, etc. stop making these claims. Somebody, some company, somewhere would have mass-marketed anything that was a cure all.

SHOW ME THE PROOF! Just because you say so doesn't get it. There are plenty of honest and caring physicians that would gladly recommend colloidal silver if it worked. IT DOESN'T! There are plenty of studies that show it doesn't work. Case closed. If anyone has certifiable proof; and not the lame excuse, " The drug companies don't want you to know about it," let's see it. Certifiable as in a reputable University study or gov. study. Most people are simply too lazy too make their own even if it was effective. The drug companies would still make loads of cash. Therefore, simple logic will tell you it is a CROCK! If you don't like my arguement, prove me wrong with reliable studies and proof. Oh, I forgot. There isn't any.

Years ago, I read a book entitled: "God: The Evidence".

The premise of the book was to prove that through observed statistical values and application of the "scientific method", that the existence of "God" could be proven with the same, or even greater accuracy than the success rate of pharmaceutical or psychological studies.

All I learned through this book is that modern "science", and our collective notions thereof, especially in regards to drug testing is the crock, bro.

Secondly, in all my years of living on this floating orb of insanity, I've learned that 90% of all statistics can be made to say anything 50% of the time.

Thirdly, I've also learned that the answer to almost every "Why" is "money".

Dude, frankly, I don't have to prove to you that the only thing the medical/pharmaceutical industry give two shits about is money. Oh, and avoiding lawsuits, which leads back to money, so it's more of a peripheral motivator.

Most of the "honest and caring" physicians, you so espouse, are unwitting puppets/pawns of the drug companies.

He who pays the piper, picks the tune, and brother, when it comes to the doctors, ultimately, *we* ain't payin' up.

And then, there's always shit like this (P.S. It was recent, and I didn't have to try hard to find it): http://blog.bioethics.net/2009/05/me...eview-journal/

[6933]

So, you read one book that has no scientific validity and you use that as your reference.

Next, you say all science and the scientific method is a crock; to say it is all a crock makes you a crackpot that; unsucessfully tries to throw out science because you say so. Sad.

Next, 90% of all statistics..... So, once again you are saying the only proof that is acceptable is what you deem acceptable.

Next, why...money. So by your own premise, you're wrong. If all the pharmaceutical cos. care about is money(which is your premise) wouldn't they market it if it even worked 1/10th as well as claimed?

Next. I don't have to prove anything.... Thanks for making my point for me.

Next, honest physicians..... Guess what Einstein, many physicians DO NOT allow drug reps. in their offices! It has become an ethical thing for many of them. So I guess they are not unwitting pawns in these cases. So, if they are not unwitting pawns and they still reject colloidal silver......

Next, just who and how do you think pays physicians? It sure isn't the drug companies. It's the insurance companies and they fight the drug companies tooth and nail over money. It is much better for them to pay for a succesful treatment than a non-successful one that will have a patient coming back and the ins. company paying more. In other words, if colloidal silver worked, the ins. cos. would be all over it because it would increase their profits.

Next, once again your "source" of info is flimsy. You are reduced to citing a blog? Earlier in your post you said doctors are unwitting pawns and puppets, but yet, here you are citing one.

You use selective citing and non-reputable sources. Your logic is flawed and your conclusions suspect.

Once again, put up or...you know the rest. You cannot prove your claims and they are potentially toxic to the human body. You should be ashamed.

You actually try to say science and the scientific method are folly! What a joke. Thanks to the scientific method and science in general you can spread your misinformation for an average of 10-12 years longer than 50 years ago. Sad, sad, sad.

[Outlander Systems]

So I'm assuming you missed the point that Merck published a completely phony "Peer-Review" to promote one of its products?

I never said the tome I browsed had any scientific validity whatsoever. What I did state was that said tome illustrated some of the shakier foundations of certain so-called "sciences"; nor did I state that the scientific method had no validity. I couldn't perform my job without math or science. The problem with psychology and medical research, ESPECIALLY drug research is that it is almost entire based upon the foundations of statistical analysis, which is an inherently flawed approach.

I'm not crapping on the entire health industry. Plenty of lives are saved by surgeons, doctors, EMS, etc. Drug companies? Different story altogether.

On the money issue? Deductive reasoning, broski. The licensed drug dealers, I mean, pharmaceutical companies, don't want you being able to obtain alternate treatment/cures. It cuts into their profits, ya know, just a little bit.

If you don't want to accept that there is collusion between the pharmaceutical companies and doctors, in terms of peddling drugs and money, that's your prerogative, bro.

http://www.the-scientist.com/templat...55671&id=55671

On top of all the back-patting, under-the-table-dealing, bogus journal writing, biased textbook publishing shenanigans, half of the so-called "medicines" include side-effects that are worse than what they supposedly treat. It's akin to sending DEVGRU in to save a hostage taken by four terrorists, only killing two terrorists, severely injuring the hostage, and mowing down five bystanders.

The "10-12" year lifespan increase you alluded to owes more to plumbers and the garbage man than doctors. It ain't modern medicine that's tacked on the years; it's hygienic waste disposal.

"In other words, if colloidal silver worked, the ins. cos. would be all over it because it would increase their profits."

Wanna buy a bridge in Brooklyn?

[6933]

Too bad, so sad. Bro, I have read your postings on other topics and learned from them. But, on this one ...

So you're using one so-called fake peer review as your evidence to disprove all medicine, all scientific research. Once again, your evidence is based on a BLOG from a doctor; didn't you say doctors, basically, couldn't be trusted?(I'm paraphrasing). Point is the same.

"Wanna' buy a bridge?" Bro-I'm making a point on the basis of your logic earlier! So what this means is, you are saying to yourself that you are full of s***!

Alternative medicine? Once again, in most(not all, but majority)cases the basis is non-factual and only used because of tradition. Guess what? I'm actually VERY familiar with non-traditional meds. Willow bark as a cure for this and that...it has salicylic acid in it-aspirin. Don't traditional meds. people also "prescribe" tiger penis for impotence?

I, and the vast majority of people, will take traditional meds. whenever possible.

You have lost this battle and it is plain for all to see. Your logic is flawed and your reasoning; non-reasonable. You couldn't even answer my retorts to your posits. Your logic is non-existent.

You say science and the scientific method is basically b.s. I guess you also saw some green men last night.

You should really remove the aluminum foil from in front of your eyes.

[6933]

I've had an idea. Are you anywhere near North Carolina? If so, let's go hike one weekend and discuss this like gentlemen. I apologize for my comments that were as***** in nature. In todays world, with all the people full of s***, it's pretty hard to find people that are ok. I know you are, we just have a difference of opinion on a subject we both feel strongly about. Just because we disagree on one subject doesn't mean we can't get along. I bet we have a lot more in common that not. That's what is important, not what we don't agree on. Hell, I bet we are much more similar than different

I grew up in the country, went to a small school, and, yes, my favorite music is country.(George Strait is the MAN). Love my Jeep, love my wife, love my country. Just say the word and we'll hit the mountains for a fun weekend.

[Outlander Systems]

Quite sporting and gentlemanly of you, good sir.

To sum it up: I'm not arguing that colloidial silver is a be-all end-all cure, nor am I purporting to insinuate that science and medicine are flawed; nor am I arguing that alternative medicine is the answer to all ills. Eye of newt, and batwing stew ain't gonna un-clog an artery.

My perspective is quite simply a general and pervasive mistrust for the big pharma companies. I also believe Doctors have a propensity for overprescribing drugs.

My "scripts" typically start and end with Apsirin.

Currently I have a raging wart on my finger. I don't believe any amount of Duct Tape is going to get it off, either. I've tried cutting it off, only for it to come back worse. Where am I going? To a dermatologist.

I'm always up for a backpacking adventure. The only backpacking buddy I can truly count on is my pooch. I must agree with you, America is the coolest land on the planet, and I'm a member of a country club. Country music is what I love.

[6933]

Just tell me you don't think Bon Jovi is true country music and all is well. Saying the only buddy you can count on as a backpacking budd is your dog, well it sounds familiar. I can count the people I truly trust on one hand.

Anytime you're up for a hike in the NC mountains, north GA, upstate SC, general area, let me know.

As for that wart, an old Chinese gentleman told me one time to pee on it.