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    Actually it is the point. Because they could stake the carrier and castle nut properly. They could build a gun to the minimum specs but choose not to just like some others. The reason they keep selling just like DPMS, Bushmaster and others is because there is always a segment of the population that will settle for mediocrity. Then there are those of us who won't.

    Quote Originally Posted by CounTeR View Post
    What is it then? Is it that if Del-Ton can't be bothered to stick a couple of parts in a press or have someone run over then with a handtool then that makes them unworthy of any consumer's attention?

    If it is, then open your eyes and look at what other shooters are running at your local range.
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    Asked before, asking again: Where is Delton sourcing their parts kits from? Still DPMS?

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    to those of us who know something, staking a carrier key isn't a big deal. THAT one part isn't a big deal.

    but 99.9999999999999999999999999% of gun owners dont know SHIT about guns, and would never, ever, ever know that certain components need to be staked. a company that can't take that one tiny extra step to potentially save the ****in LIVES of their customers, i have zero regard for them.

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    I've been running a Del-Ton upper for about 5 years and havent had any issues with it. Yes, the gas key wasnt staked, but I took care of that from the get-go. While not applicable to me; no staking on the castle nut? No concern to me.

    My biggest gripe with them is the fact 99% of their guns are 1/9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    to those of us who know something, staking a carrier key isn't a big deal. THAT one part isn't a big deal.

    but 99.9999999999999999999999999% of gun owners dont know SHIT about guns, and would never, ever, ever know that certain components need to be staked. a company that can't take that one tiny extra step to potentially save the ****in LIVES of their customers, i have zero regard for them.
    Very good point..
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwatDawg15 View Post
    Very good point..
    On the flip side...most of us do the same thing that car guys do. They buy a good car from the lot, then modify it to suit their needs. If all you want is a red Corvette to drive on the weekends with the top down (insert DPMS here) then you just stay with what you can afford. But if you want something that is able to turn corners, go fast, burn tires and hold its own on a road course (insert Colt, Noveske, etc here) then you buy a red Ferrari and modify it to your standards and your budget.

    Not everyone here is a Delta operator who needs to sling bodies 24/7. Some people are fine simply owning a target rifle.

    Some rifles are hot shit coming right out of the box, and some are just enough to punch holes in paper. It's personal needs/wants that makes them what they are. I'm tired of hearing "If you don't own a Colt with an Aimpoint and PMAGs, your rifle sucks" on this board. Everyone needs to realize that people have different circumstances, budgets, and desires when it comes to the AR platform.

    People come to this forum because it holds, quite possible, the best plethora of accurate information on the Internet regarding our beloved rifles. Lets try not to put people and their rifles in a certain category because of who made the parts.

    Personally, I have a BM carbine that started out stock, but I've fixed and/or replaced a lot of the parts that needed replacing in order to make it run more reliably:

    Colt BCG with proper staking
    Upgraded extractor with black insert
    H-buffer
    DD Omega 7.0
    lots of PMAGs
    Castle nut staking
    Eotech
    etc....

    Is it still a BM? Yes. Thats what it says on the lower. Does it suck? No, I don't think so. It does exactly what I need it to do with few hic-ups...3 gun matches. In fact, I'll put it against a Colt or a Noveske any day. Oh, and did I pay >$2k for it?

    No.... I modified an already proven design, and I take pride in what I've created. Built rather than bought.

    Nobody likes to be told that something they took pride in making sucks. Lets be a little more sympathetic to those who are proud of what they have, but still have the desire to make it better. Lets offer more advice and less criticism. We at M4C pride ourselves at being above TOS, but when we get into bashing rifles because of who made them, we're lowering ourselves to their level.
    Last edited by citizensoldier16; 04-26-09 at 17:54.
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    Taking into consideration the initial cost of your BM, plus the Colt BCG, the buffer, extractor and DD rail system what did you spend on your weapon?

    I only have one carbine with an optic and it's an ACOG. The problem that some people make is that they purchase a BM, Del-Ton or whatever, they then dump money into a RDS, rail system, and other necessary upgrades and in many cases they spent more than what a quality Colt, LMT, DD or other known performer would have cost.

    When I bought my Noveske 16.1" Recon upper I paid just over 1200.00 for it. My Armalite lower was 75.00. The Vltor modstock, pistol grip and LPK cost another couple of hundred. I was still below 1500.00 and I have a weapon that runs and needed no modifications to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by citizensoldier16 View Post
    On the flip side...most of us do the same thing that car guys do. They buy a good car from the lot, then modify it to suit their needs. If all you want is a red Corvette to drive on the weekends with the top down (insert DPMS here) then you just stay with what you can afford. But if you want something that is able to turn corners, go fast, burn tires and hold its own on a road course (insert Colt, Noveske, etc here) then you buy a red Ferrari and modify it to your standards and your budget.

    Not everyone here is a Delta operator who needs to sling bodies 24/7. Some people are fine simply owning a target rifle.

    Some rifles are hot shit coming right out of the box, and some are just enough to punch holes in paper. It's personal needs/wants that makes them what they are. I'm tired of hearing "If you don't own a Colt with an Aimpoint and PMAGs, your rifle sucks" on this board. Everyone needs to realize that people have different circumstances, budgets, and desires when it comes to the AR platform.

    People come to this forum because it holds, quite possible, the best plethora of accurate information on the Internet regarding our beloved rifles. Lets try not to put people and their rifles in a certain category because of who made the parts.

    Personally, I have a BM carbine that started out stock, but I've fixed and/or replaced a lot of the parts that needed replacing in order to make it run more reliably:

    Colt BCG with proper staking
    Upgraded extractor with black insert
    H-buffer
    DD Omega 7.0
    lots of PMAGs
    Castle nut staking
    Eotech
    etc....

    Is it still a BM? Yes. Thats what it says on the lower. Does it suck? No, I don't think so. It does exactly what I need it to do with few hic-ups...3 gun matches. In fact, I'll put it against a Colt or a Noveske any day. Oh, and did I pay >$2k for it?

    No.... I modified an already proven design, and I take pride in what I've created. Built rather than bought.

    Nobody likes to be told that something they took pride in making sucks. Lets be a little more sympathetic to those who are proud of what they have, but still have the desire to make it better. Lets offer more advice and less criticism. We at M4C pride ourselves at being above TOS, but when we get into bashing rifles because of who made them, we're lowering ourselves to their level.
    Last edited by Iraqgunz; 04-26-09 at 18:02.



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    Colt BCG with proper staking - $100 (2004 pricing @ gun show)
    Upgraded extractor with black insert - $12.95 from Brownell's
    H-buffer - $0 (free from a friend)
    DD Omega 7.0 - $400
    lots of PMAGs - varies, not included in total
    Castle nut staking - $5 by gunsmith
    Eotech - $325 at local gun show in 2007
    TLR-1 with remote switch - $0 (xmas gift from dad)

    Rifle cost me $650 (new, show price) in 2004.


    Total cost minus mags: $1492.95

    Parts were not purchased all at once.

    When I bought my AR, it was a range and truck gun. But I've since seen the need to modify it for HD. Considering you can't get a Colt 6920 for under $1400 today, I'd say I did alright, considering an optic and a good light is included in my bottom line.
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    The problem is that you are applying prices from 5 years ago to the realities of today. Right now you can still get a DD carbine for around 1500.00 dollars and Colt 6920's are starting to come back to this level as well. In addition you have a barrel that is not HP/ MPI tested and a chamber that is more than likely tight.

    Your cost for the carbine/ rifle plus the BCG, rail and extractor upgrade was 1162.00. The buffer would have been around 20.00. 5 years ago you could get a Colt 6920 for around 1300.00.

    Quote Originally Posted by citizensoldier16 View Post
    Colt BCG with proper staking - $100 (2004 pricing @ gun show)
    Upgraded extractor with black insert - $12.95 from Brownell's
    H-buffer - $0 (free from a friend)
    DD Omega 7.0 - $400
    lots of PMAGs - varies, not included in total
    Castle nut staking - $5 by gunsmith
    Eotech - $325 at local gun show in 2007
    TLR-1 with remote switch - $0 (xmas gift from dad)

    Rifle cost me $650 (new, show price) in 2004.


    Total cost minus mags: $1492.95

    Parts were not purchased all at once.

    When I bought my AR, it was a range and truck gun. But I've since seen the need to modify it for HD. Considering you can't get a Colt 6920 for under $1400 today, I'd say I did alright, considering an optic and a good light is included in my bottom line.
    Last edited by Iraqgunz; 04-27-09 at 02:51.



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    Quote Originally Posted by citizensoldier16 View Post
    On the flip side...most of us do the same thing that car guys do. They buy a good car from the lot, then modify it to suit their needs. If all you want is a red Corvette to drive on the weekends with the top down (insert DPMS here) then you just stay with what you can afford. But if you want something that is able to turn corners, go fast, burn tires and hold its own on a road course (insert Colt, Noveske, etc here) then you buy a red Ferrari and modify it to your standards and your budget.

    Not everyone here is a Delta operator who needs to sling bodies 24/7. Some people are fine simply owning a target rifle.

    Some rifles are hot shit coming right out of the box, and some are just enough to punch holes in paper. It's personal needs/wants that makes them what they are. I'm tired of hearing "If you don't own a Colt with an Aimpoint and PMAGs, your rifle sucks" on this board. Everyone needs to realize that people have different circumstances, budgets, and desires when it comes to the AR platform.

    People come to this forum because it holds, quite possible, the best plethora of accurate information on the Internet regarding our beloved rifles. Lets try not to put people and their rifles in a certain category because of who made the parts.

    Personally, I have a BM carbine that started out stock, but I've fixed and/or replaced a lot of the parts that needed replacing in order to make it run more reliably:

    Colt BCG with proper staking
    Upgraded extractor with black insert
    H-buffer
    DD Omega 7.0
    lots of PMAGs
    Castle nut staking
    Eotech
    etc....

    Is it still a BM? Yes. Thats what it says on the lower. Does it suck? No, I don't think so. It does exactly what I need it to do with few hic-ups...3 gun matches. In fact, I'll put it against a Colt or a Noveske any day. Oh, and did I pay >$2k for it?

    No.... I modified an already proven design, and I take pride in what I've created. Built rather than bought.

    Nobody likes to be told that something they took pride in making sucks. Lets be a little more sympathetic to those who are proud of what they have, but still have the desire to make it better. Lets offer more advice and less criticism. We at M4C pride ourselves at being above TOS, but when we get into bashing rifles because of who made them, we're lowering ourselves to their level.
    +1
    Very good point

    For a ar to be even ok on this forum it seams like it has to be worth $1500+

    I have a rather new DPMS lower Del-Ton upper that only cost about $600. It only has about 300 rounds through it and the only major problem was that on 2 reloaded cases the necks were out of spec. And the bolt wouldn't close. I stKed the castle nut myself and never did steak the gas key but haven't had any problems. It has shown no sign of unusual wear, gas key screws have not loosened at all, and nothing is getting weak.

    Sure I would love to have a Noveske, DD, Larue, etc. but I'm on a budget here.
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