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Thread: Favorable Del-Ton Review in SWAT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puffy93 View Post
    For a ar to be even ok on this forum it seams like it has to be worth $1500+
    You're missing the point, which is common when people focus on the wrong thing.

    The issue isn't the price, the issue is quality. I have a BCM upper on a DSA lower with G&R LPK which adds up to just at $1k, just over with a rear sight.

    I'd take that BCM as-is over a Delton/DPMS/Oly whatever with an Eothing on it for the same cost.

    When I see a rifle like these that doesn't stake things probably, my next question is "if they missed these overtly obvious things, I wonder what hidden problems this rifle has?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainDooley View Post
    I have no dog in this fight, I was just surprised to see a favorable review of Del-Ton in a magazine. The latest issue of SWAT gave them good marks - only minuses they saw were improperly staked gas key and castle nut...
    Who wrote the test/review?

    What is his knowledge/experience with the AR? Does he have any connections to Del-Ton? Good questions to ask yourself before you believe anything you read in a magazine to be factual.
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    Scott Oldham is the author - and I have no idea about any of the other questions in regards to his connections and/or experience.

    You bring up good points about reviews and that sort of thing - and honestly it's why I posted this here - I would trust the opinions of certain posters here over a rag writer I don't know.

    Re: the whole price thing...

    It's about standards, not price (as Rob_s said). The simple fact is that if you want a factory built rifle to meet the standards a go-to gun needs to, you'll spend over $1k. If you build one to the same standards, the cost will vary depending on shrewdness, ability, etc, but you'll still end up paying more than just a Del-Ton kit and a lower would cost would be my guess.
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    Del-Ton review

    I have a frankengun built before the AWB in Calif. No name parts with a PWA lower, the gun has between 7.5k and 10k over the years. I do a bunch in one afternoon and then don't shoot for while I build up my ammo supply.

    No, it isn't a name brand hot model, but would you go into combat wearing Gucci's or good boots?

    Some of us build as we have the money or the opportunity, my mortgage and kids college is first priority. I have my play money but it takes time to build it up.

    I don't intend to shoot in a three day class, bad feet can't stand too long, but I think the guns I build would work well under that kind of pressure.

    I have had no stoppages that can be blamed on the gun, ammo and magazine, yes. But the old gun has shot every time I pulled the trigger.

    To the people who have the top of the line, good for you, but keep in mind the rest of us like guns also and don't like snobbery.

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    A guy I work with did a huge group buy of Del Ton kits for a bunch of guys at work. Alot of people were asking my opinion and I said that they weren't known to be high quality. Yet most of these guys couldn't get an AR anywhere else so they jumped in on the group buy. Anyway, About half of them have out of spec magwells that are so tight you have to force the mag in and out. I put together one lower for a guy and the disconnector wouldn't fit in the trigger, amongst other things. Del-Ton=crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    You're missing the point, which is common when people focus on the wrong thing.

    The issue isn't the price, the issue is quality. I have a BCM upper on a DSA lower with G&R LPK which adds up to just at $1k, just over with a rear sight.

    I'd take that BCM as-is over a Delton/DPMS/Oly whatever with an Eothing on it for the same cost.

    When I see a rifle like these that doesn't stake things probably, my next question is "if they missed these overtly obvious things, I wonder what hidden problems this rifle has?"
    With the $300-400 you save by not buying a name you can go though the entire rifle and make sure everything Is done properly, replace what needs to be replaced, and buy some ammo with the money left over.

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    I just pick up the magazine on the newstand on occasion. Thought some of the past issues were outstanding, but some of the recent issues seemed to be missing something.

    Don't know about Delton, but some belt sword d00-dadd seems mysterious.

    From Tactical Response magazine--"Scott Oldham is a supervisory sergeant with the Bloomington, IN Police Department where he is assigned to the Operations Division as patrol supervisor, as well as being one of the team leaders for the department’s Tactical Unit. He and his partner, Sergeant Mick Williams, provide contract instruction on a wide range of subjects, including tactical and patrol-based skills."
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    2 separate uppers I purchased from del ton had problems. One sheared the gas key screws off, due to them not being staked.

    Second one, the barrel nut was not tight. To the point where the barrel litterally flopped around in the upper.

    That was enough for them to lose my business.

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    You are still missing the point and that's OK because it is a common occurence in situations like this. This has nothing to do with snobbery or anything else. So let's put this in perspective, shall we?

    When you purchased your weapon you didn't have a need for it. You wanted it. In which case you could have waited a little longer and saved the money to buy a quality weapon. Had it been a rush purchase for home defense or duty then basically you would have put your life in danger for the savings of a few hundred dollars.

    The reason your DPMS/ Delton hasn't had any "issues" yet, is because it isn't even broken in. It is a known fact that carrier keys that are not properly torqued and staked will come loose. At some point if you start driving your weapon hard all the little insignificant things will start to pop up.

    If you choose to ignore the advice and opinions given here that is your prerogative. However, if you are depending on your weapon to protect you or your castle then you are fool-hardy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Puffy93 View Post
    With the $300-400 you save by not buying a name you can go though the entire rifle and make sure everything Is done properly, replace what needs to be replaced, and buy some ammo with the money left over.
    Last edited by Iraqgunz; 04-27-09 at 03:05.



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    My first AR was an LMT i put together(upper/lower/BCG) in 07.Before the BUIS it came in right at $1000.I've yet to hear anyone say it wasnt quality.The more "affordable" AR's at the time were running arround $800+ if i remember correctly.

    I just put together...

    BCM upper
    CDD stripped lower
    STAG LPK
    BCM milspec RE kit w/H-buffer
    MOE handguards/stock
    G&R BCG w/tetsed bolt

    Even in this market...under $1100 if my memory isnt off on some of the prices.Add a BUIS and it's a little over $1100.

    It was also spread out over several months.Although,this time that was as much about availability as anything.

    Pretty sure it would be considered up to par by most...

    Assuming i didnt screw it up in any way.

    Quality can be had at a value if you're willing to look and do a little work(fun if you ask me).Not the $1500+ i keep hearing is a must anyway.Not now or two years ago.

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