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  1. #51
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    I gotta agree with Grant here. Those M-4 cuts just look plain shitty. Functional perhaps but I'd never accept it. More importantly, that gas key way is totally unacceptable and stands a very good chance of coming loose.
    To say that hey all these guys are just hobbyist who only shoot a few hundred rounds through their piece is a poor attempt to excuse a main line AR mfg. of shoddy workmanship. If we all said, hey my customer is just a hobby guy so I can slack on the quaility of my product, it would be a sad state of affairs.
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    If I may backtrack a moment to the BCG issue, this is the CMT BCG I have. Is this an appropriate key staking job?

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    Arrow

    Negative.

    ...The reality is that for probably 95% (maybe even 99%) of non-LEO civilian owners, "almost as good" really is "good enough".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ISAIAH53
    If I may backtrack a moment to the BCG issue, this is the CMT BCG I have. Is this an appropriate key staking job?
    No.

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    NO!

    You are welcome to send me be the BCG to be staked.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ISAIAH53
    If I may backtrack a moment to the BCG issue, this is the CMT BCG I have. Is this an appropriate key staking job?
    They aren't supposed to deform the screw-heads, so no....

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    Rob S says,

    I think the best solution is to have an equipment check at the start of the class, and properly stake keys that aren't, lube guns that aren't, and address any other easily-fixed yet oft-recurring problems.

    We tried that, but it eats up a fair amount of time at the beginning of the class. I have an article on my website "Coming to Class" where i specifically state that people should bring serviceable guns/ magazines/ ammunition etc to class.

    There is only so much hand holding that i am willing to do. Lack of common sense adversely effects everyone no matter which end it is played out on.
    However, not everyone that has a problem is a window licker.

    Good guys, very sharp in their trade may have problems due to life cycle issues. Sometime feces happens.
    However, most issues occur because people buy just a good as for a variety of reasons, or are not aware of certain issues- another reason why people attend gun skul.
    You may have noticed that neither Mike nor I had more than a few minutes down time during the 3 days, and that is how it should be. People are paying money to learn, and part of that process is to talk face to face with the instructors and get first hand info that may not be available elsewhere.
    I can state that certain brands may be more prone to problems at the start of every class, but that doesn't mean that any given bushamster will die or Colt/ LMT will work flawlessly.
    I see Orlite mags that work. Denny Hansen had an Oly that ran through several classes.
    I have seen guys shoot Greek ammo and Wolf ammo and even some Main Cartridge ammo w/o problems.
    I haven't seen any PCA work, though one magazine swears that it is the best thing since sliced bread.

    Bottom line is this. People have to be responsible for their actions. Driving a car, operating a gun or buying baby clothes.
    Suggestions can be heeded or ignored, but most often people are unaware of issues before hand.
    Training classes are adult education opportunities.
    Nothing drives home a point more readily than failing at something (anything).
    I'd prefer everyone showed up with top notch everything, but for the open classes, that is just a wish.

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    My boss and I took our first proper fighting course in Aug2005 (I got to stack with KevinB) . We spent the prior 60 days sorting out our guns and gear, my view was that given the expense involved in taking a course there was NO excuse for us to show up with shitty equipment and price tags still on our webbing. I simply did not want to be "that guy" who held the class back, I wish others had done the same. Kevin, you unfecked the gun so quick we didn't even take notice dude.
    Nobody Cares! Fix It!

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    Sparrow, you make an excellent point, and in a perfect world that would be the "A" answer.
    For most of the open classes, most of the average Joe's- earth people- are gainfully employed in real jobs and may not have the time or incentive to do as you suggest.
    I would strongly prefer that everyone have GTG gear and a switched on mind, but perfection exists only in certain portions of northern Europe and only from certain companies.
    In the meantime, we'll just keep educating people by whatever means available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindertw
    extended feed ramps on my CMMG (look to be machined prior to finishing):







    LMT enhanced BCG staking:

    And machining them like that without knowing where the friggin' barrel will end up is exactly why a rifle I built for a friend wouldn't run the first day. LMT M4 ramps did not line up with them and I had to file that extra metal you see in the CMMG extension out so the Radway wouldn't get caught on it.



    Steve- If M4 ramps aren't necessary, then RRA should really be chastized for scarring a rifle while trying to put them in as an afterthought. Why the F%^& are they STILL doing that shit?

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