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    Don't be worried about being an "ass in the class" if you mean unskilled. Main thing is to handle the weapon in a safe manner. Muzzle discipline is so important. Keep an open mind and don't worry how poorly you shoot compared to the others. After all, they were once like you.

    Be receptive to criticism and advice from the instructors.
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    I have been shooting for a long time, or more correctly hunting, which seems (in my mind at least) to be way different than the tactical situations one would encounter in a class. My main concern is not being the guy that is often described here as holding up the class with technical issues (not knowing how to clear, what to do when there is a basic problem, going in with too many toys/doo-dads/gee-gaws, etc.).

    Also I have plenty of time with handguns in addition to my hunting rifles and getting bullets on targets is not really a concern. I just think that if you have a tool you should have good familiarity with it before you use it. Just want to wrap my brain around the basics.

    And I appreciate the guidance.

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    BINGO!

    Quote Originally Posted by Iraq Ninja View Post
    Don't be worried about being an "ass in the class" if you mean unskilled. Main thing is to handle the weapon in a safe manner. Muzzle discipline is so important. Keep an open mind and don't worry how poorly you shoot compared to the others. After all, they were once like you.

    Be receptive to criticism and advice from the instructors.
    As an instructor I see people all the time that want to be up to "speed" and go get DVD's and books and then develop bad technique and habits.

    Go to the class and don't worry about anyone else and how they shoot. Go and pay attention to the instructors and learn the "TECHNIQUES" they teach. Don't worry about being FAST. Learn to do the proper techniques correctly and smooooothly.

    SLOW IS SMOOTH, SMOOTH WILL BECOME FAST WITH PROPER TECHNIQUE.

    Until that day,
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    I would hardly call the Green Eyes.. Black Rifles book "advanced" by any means, regardless of what you know. If you are a weapons guy, and have been shooting for a while, you don't need that book.
    It's not worthless or anything, but it's so elementary that most guys don't bother reading it. I mean, sure, it's got some info, but nothing you need to purchase to learn. One of the kind members of this forum loaned me his for a while, and I honestly am glad I didn't purchase it. I'm just an average joe when it comes to shooting skills, and that's mainly because I don't have umpteen billion rounds of ammo and umpteen billion dollars to drop on these classes either. I'm still wondering how some of these guys attend literally every class that comes up...
    Skip most of the books, and just go shoot in a class or two. As others have stated, THE MAIN THING is being SAFE in the class, and you'll get all the respect you could ask for...
    Last edited by Razorhunter; 05-09-09 at 13:40.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkop View Post
    As an instructor I see people all the time that want to be up to "speed" and go get DVD's and books and then develop bad technique and habits.
    That is why I am looking for books about the tool and the operation of the tool more than books on how to optimize the use of the tool in the field. The manual, field guide and assembly guide have been great reading. I am on my second disassembly/re-assembly of the day and am finally getting a handle on what goes where. I doubt I am ready to do it in the dark like I can with my P35s, but I am at least developing better parts recognition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preferred User View Post
    I did not mean to discount your suggestions. I just wanted to make sure I did not get the cart ahead of the horse and start too high on the learning ladder. The descriptions sound more advanced than noob, thanks for clarifying.
    I'm not sure this is what you're looking for but here's some basic knowledge that I've repeated hundreds of times while standing "on line" at Paris Island many years ago.

    The cycle of operation:
    Firing, Unlocking, Extraction, Ejection, Cocking, Feeding, Chambering, Locking... Repeat.

    Those are the 8 steps in the cycle of operation of the M16/AR.

    This is a great site to get started with learning, there are a lot of folks here that have in depth knowledge of the AR platform. You'll get overwhelmed with technical data.

    Help the group out and give us a starting point, provide us some specifics on topics you'd like to learn. I suppose most of us are assuming you know the basics of weapons handling, sight alignment/sight picture, trigger control, breath control etc.

    EDIT: Sorry, I just read you last post, now I have a better idea. Try searching the web for Marine Corps or Army manuals (TMs)
    Or you could join the Marines and get paid to learn this stuff!
    Last edited by Low Drag; 05-12-09 at 08:39.

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    That 8-step guide is quite handy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Low Drag View Post
    Or you could join the Marines and get paid to learn this stuff!
    I am a bit old for that. And ditching years of forensic training to go back for running and gunning with the youngsters is a bit more than I can tackle (especially after my 3rd knee surgery).

    I'll stick with shooting with the pros for fun on the weekends and going hunting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preferred User View Post
    That 8-step guide is quite handy.

    I am a bit old for that. And ditching years of forensic training to go back for running and gunning with the youngsters is a bit more than I can tackle (especially after my 3rd knee surgery).

    I'll stick with shooting with the pros for fun on the weekends and going hunting.
    One other little tid bit from the rifle range in the context of hitting a target beyond CQB to a few hundred yards range.

    BRASS

    Breath
    Relax
    Aim
    Stop
    Squeeze (the trigger)
    Then follow through

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preferred User View Post
    I did not mean to discount your suggestions. I just wanted to make sure I did not get the cart ahead of the horse and start too high on the learning ladder. The descriptions sound more advanced than noob, thanks for clarifying.
    No offense taken what so ever. Like was said earlier the Green Eyes Black Rifles book is a very good place to start.

    I suggested the DVD's because I am very much a "monkey see-monkey do" learner and I have to see what I'm being told or it doesn't stick with me. The first two DVD's really focus on good basic techniques as well as talking about the gear and rifles.

    Definitely not a "cart before the horse" issue IMHO. As long as the information is of quality origin, there is no such thing as too much!

    The stickies at the top of both the AR General Discussion as well as the AR Technical Discussion are worth their intellectual weight in gold.

    These are just starting points and suggestions. You'll figure out what is useful and what is BS.
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