EOTECH or ACOG ??

[SR15]

Hello guys i am new here and hoping you can point me in the right direction.I have a SR15 (223 cal) and cant decide which optic would be better for me.I will be shooting out to 300yds at times maybe 600yds once in a while.But mostly 100 and 200 yds. ( With the EOTECH i will get the 3x magnifier ). I also would like to still be able to use the flip up iron sights that came with it . Thank You.

[Kimbo]

I was issued an ACOG when I was deployed to Iraq. My personal preference is for aimpoints and eotechs. The good thing about the acog is that they do not require any battery just some light to light up the reticle inside. But for me I do not like magnification. It will take time to get use to the ACOG as with any optic really. If you plan on shooting at distances an ACOG would be great since it has a magnification already in it. But with an Eotech and a magnifier you can have the best of both worlds. The combo will cost some what similar if not more to the acog depending on which model you buy for both acog or eotech and magnifier. The eotech and magnifier will take up more room on your weapon though...I suggest you try both out if you can and see what you like more... Also since the acog requires the optic to come back closer due to eye relief, it might prevent you from using your buis as it may sit over it. Either way you can't really go wrong since they are both quality optics. Good luck!

[Left Sig]

I strongly recommend an Aimpoint with the 3x magnifier.

I had an EoTech and it was just not in the same league as Aimpoint. Battery life sucked, mounting sucked, reticle was fuzzy, pushbutton adjustments were cumbersome, and adjustment dials did not seem to correspond to the indicated 1/2 min per click.

I sold the EoTech and moved on to a Leupold 1.5-5 MR/T 1" Tube (non-illuminated). I liked it but wanted a true 1x optic.

So I just got an Aimpoint M3 w/2 minute dot, 3x magnifier, and LaRue mounts. So far, this is the best option I've tried. Only issue is the weight.

[texas12]

Do what I did and get both! But if I had to choose one over the other I would stick with my eotech 553 for the reason that I can make hits with it anyware from 0-200 meters no problem. But it really depends on the distances you will be employing the optic the most. If it’s anything consistently 100 meters plus take a good hard look at an ACOG and anything below that then the eotech. The decision is yours

[jp0319]

Accupoint TR24 1-4 or Aimpoint. ACOG is too limiting stuck at 4x, and I think aimpoint is vastly superior to eotech IMHO. TR24 best of both worlds 1x - 4x.

[SR15]

Thank you so far on the input this is very hard to decide being there is so many models of both.

[Failure2Stop]

The ACOG line is great for what AGOCs do well- combat precision from 50 to 600 meters (give or take) in lit conditions. They do this very well and are tougher than anything else out ther that I have used that offer the same magnification levels at a reasonable weight. They are sub-optimal for use when up close and nasty, thus the boom of mini-red dot sights and mounting solutions for use with the ACOG. It is worth mentioning that magnification does not make you a better shooter, it simply allows you to see a larger image, which can be good and bad.

When it comes to up close and fast, non-magnified (or nearly so) optics rule the roost- not just because they do not magnify, but because they permit more latitude in head position/eye placement, lesser or no eye-relief issues, and are generally very distinct in relation to their background. Among red-dots the Aimpoint series stands head and shoulders above the rest (especially the T-1, in my opinion) due to durability, robustness, battery life, and simplicity. The EoTechs are alright (I bought an EoTech before I bought Aimpoints, and I still mourn that lost money), but are pretty much everything the people fear in electronic aiming devices: battery intensive, fragile, susceptable to auto-shutoff, poor mounting solutions, and operates with buttons. Yes, it can be very fast, but given the same training, the M3, M4, and T-1/H-1 Aimpoints will be just as fast, with more deviation due to individual shooter actions than the sighting system.

ACOGs are not Aimpoints, and even an Aimpoint with a 3X is not really comparative to the better ACOGs, such as the TA01, TA31, TA11, or TA33 series. When it comes to these optics I prefer to use the optic to its strengths for my needed application. As such I prefer cross-hair reticles similar to the ones in the TA01 NSN, as they aid precision at the ranges that I need precise bullet placement. I find the chevron reticles to be slightly faster at close range (but they still suck compared to non-magnified optics, especially in weird lighting), but too clumsy for efficient use at 200 to 300 meters. Trying to use the chevron in a dynamic gunfight at close range is a non-starter, and a secondary MRD does much better.

What it comes down to is application. If the primary application is 100 meters and closer with the possibility of some longer 2 to 300 shots, an RDS with magnifier will probably best suit your needs. If your primary application is past 100 meters with a high threat-ID requirement, with the possibility of close range use, one of the ACOGs with a MRD will probably suit you better.

[SR15]

Well i ended up getting the ACOG TA31. Thanks for your help much appreciated.

[Left Sig]

Good choice if it fits your needs best. I also struggled with the same choices.

In reality, for the average range shooter who is not going to be involved in any combat or SWAT type work, a fixed power ACOG is fine. The ranges I belong to don't allow centerfire rifles at anything less than 50 yards, and shots must go into a berm, so close range practice is not even an option.

If you are going to use the rifle for HD, iron sights or an "always on" Aimpoint would be the best choice.

But perhaps the best thing to do is acquire all of them in quick release mounts (LaRue, Bobro, American Defense, etc.) and mix and match depending on what you are doing.

Despite my fondness for the Aimpoint + Magifier, I may very well get an ACOG, a TR-24 1-4x, a Nightforce NXS 1-4x, or a Nightforce NXS 2.5-10x for longer ranges.

[ZDL]

The ACOG line is great for what AGOCs do well- combat precision from 50 to 600 meters (give or take) in lit conditions. They do this very well and are tougher than anything else out ther that I have used that offer the same magnification levels at a reasonable weight. They are sub-optimal for use when up close and nasty, thus the boom of mini-red dot sights and mounting solutions for use with the ACOG. It is worth mentioning that magnification does not make you a better shooter, it simply allows you to see a larger image, which can be good and bad.

When it comes to up close and fast, non-magnified (or nearly so) optics rule the roost- not just because they do not magnify, but because they permit more latitude in head position/eye placement, lesser or no eye-relief issues, and are generally very distinct in relation to their background. Among red-dots the Aimpoint series stands head and shoulders above the rest (especially the T-1, in my opinion) due to durability, robustness, battery life, and simplicity. The EoTechs are alright (I bought an EoTech before I bought Aimpoints, and I still mourn that lost money), but are pretty much everything the people fear in electronic aiming devices: battery intensive, fragile, susceptable to auto-shutoff, poor mounting solutions, and operates with buttons. Yes, it can be very fast, but given the same training, the M3, M4, and T-1/H-1 Aimpoints will be just as fast, with more deviation due to individual shooter actions than the sighting system.

ACOGs are not Aimpoints, and even an Aimpoint with a 3X is not really comparative to the better ACOGs, such as the TA01, TA31, TA11, or TA33 series. When it comes to these optics I prefer to use the optic to its strengths for my needed application. As such I prefer cross-hair reticles similar to the ones in the TA01 NSN, as they aid precision at the ranges that I need precise bullet placement. I find the chevron reticles to be slightly faster at close range (but they still suck compared to non-magnified optics, especially in weird lighting), but too clumsy for efficient use at 200 to 300 meters. Trying to use the chevron in a dynamic gunfight at close range is a non-starter, and a secondary MRD does much better.

What it comes down to is application. If the primary application is 100 meters and closer with the possibility of some longer 2 to 300 shots, an RDS with magnifier will probably best suit your needs. If your primary application is past 100 meters with a high threat-ID requirement, with the possibility of close range use, one of the ACOGs with a MRD will probably suit you better.

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