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I like the Winchester Super Match 148 grain HBWC load...
My wife can shoot the feelers off a fly at 100 yards with it (joking)...
Actually, she is super accurate with it, and the front edges of the bullet seem to not deform much at all. I shot some into my water tank and there seems to be very little deformation there. I know water is not gelatin, but it should deform a bullet like that at least as much as gelatin would...
She shoots it out of her 3 inch S&W Model 64... she loves that load!!!
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Doc,Originally Posted by DocGKR
How would one get around that definition. It seems solid copper would be OK since it is not a listed material. I have written to the BATF, but never got a response on this exact issue.
Last edited by bernieb90; 06-10-09 at 00:31.
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Sad... I looked online trying to buy some of Winchester's Super Match 148 grain Lead Wad Cutters for my wife... they want about $30.00 per box of 50, give or take a few $$$... and even after that shock, everyone is OUT!!!
So I looked for Sellier & Bellot's version...
Cabela's has it for about $15.00 per box of 50... I ordered 6 boxes... I intend to compare the lead hardness between the 2 loads... perhaps the S&B version is 'just as good'???
Last edited by Glock17JHP; 06-17-09 at 13:39.
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I purchased a couple of boxes of the Buffalo Bore wadcutter loads a couple of summers ago for testing and was a bit disappointed. The powder smoked very badly -- like half as bad as black powder, and it would definitely not be something I'd want in a daylight situation. The bullet itself was not a true wadcutter, as the edges were beveled, giving less cutting area and producing a significantly smaller frontal area. In spite of Tims' claim of using hard alloyed lead, the loads leaded up the barrel in short order. I'll have to check back to see if I still have the chronograph data, and if I do, I'll post it. Accuracy at subsequent testing proved to be mediocre at best, so I used what was left after testing for practice ammo.
Since then I've stuck with the WW loading, but after Doctor Roberts comments on the Cor Bon load, I plan to move to these as soon as they are available again.
Last edited by rly45acp; 06-17-09 at 18:20.
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Tell me about it! I shot some awhile back and thought I was at a SASS match!
"When you go home, Tell them of us and say, For your tomorrow, We gave our today."
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Found the data. It was further back than I remembered; September 25, 2007.
Here's my notes from another forum:
Tested the Buffalo Bore Item 20B 150 gr. WC yesterday. Temperature was 80 degrees Fahrenheit, elevation here is just over 300 ft.
Used an older non-+P rated 642 S&W, 1 7/8" bbl. Testing done 8 feet from chronograph in a ten shot string.
Velocities:
LO: 896 fps
Hi: 931 fps
Avg: 913.6
ES: 35.45
SD: 18.86
Unable to test for accuracy since I had surgery last Wednesday on my right ring finger to remove a ganglion. I shot weak hand, unsupported.
Recoil is subjective, but it felt identical to some old Winchester standard velocity 158 gr. RN's that averaged only 718 fps, but more than some old reloads that gave an average of 694 fps.
Though a wadcutter, this load has a bevel on the shoulder and this is a bit of a concern. Dr. Gary K. Roberts has stated he will test this load some time this year, so until his results are in, I can't say it is as good as the now defunkt Safe Stop load, which had a very sharp shoulder.
What I liked:
1. The velocity is fantastic for being standard pressure and only fired in a 1 7/8" bbl.
2. Recoil acceptable in the 15 oz. airweight, even shooting weak hand.
What I didn't like:
1. Smokes badly. Enough that it would give your position away if you were shooting from cover in an area that would mask your position (think open warehouse, etc.). Very noticeable.
2. Though listed as very hard cast, ten rounds leaded the barrel to the same extent I used to get shooting the old Winchester 158 gr. SWC 357's from a Model 19 back in the 70's. I didn't have any jacketed rounds to clean the barrel out and knew I'd have a job cleaning the barrel when my hand heals. I subsequently fired a cylinder full of reloads using bullets we cast ourselves and these lead rounds (VERY hard cast) actually cleaned it out. (Yeah!!!)
Concerns:
1. As stated above, the bullet profile; not a true sharp shouldered cylinder. However, for those using older, non-+P rated snubbies, this load wouild be great for reloads, since it is far easier to load fast than a true wadcutter.
I wish Tim had used the same sharp shouldered bullet of the Safe Stop, but cast significantly harder.
More testing to follow, once my hand heals sufficiently.
Last edited by rly45acp; 06-17-09 at 18:21.
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That velocity is pretty high... maybe even close to +P velocities...
Winchester Super Match 148 grain Lead Wad Cutter goes about 710 FPS...
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I tried some of the locally manufactured FWC I mentioned above and they were excessively smokey too. I wonder if BB uses bullseye powder on their FWC load as well like the ones I shot today. I don't have access to a chronograph so I have no idea what muzzle velocity might have been but there wasn't quite as much felt recoil as with the 135gr +p GD's or 130gr +p PDX1 I shot today. They dirtied up my gun a lot too, and there was some lead build up in the barrel after 50 rounds.
Has anyone fired the new standard pressure Hornady FTX rounds? Do they have significantly milder recoil than the +p offerings that are typical for snubnoses? I was just wondering if they would be a possible HP round that offers recoil close to the FWC rounds available. Only problem is it has been shown to not always expand and if it doesn't, it isn't going to do much in the way of wounding because of it's front profile.
I would be interested to hear how those S&B FWC rounds do for you Glock17JHP when you get them in if you don't mind posting a short range report if you have a chance?
Last edited by 167; 06-19-09 at 11:57.
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167,
What specific information are you interested in??? We have been using/shooting the Winchester Super Match load for many years now...
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Level of recoil, shape and hardness of FWC (are the edges sharp, etc), and that is about it I guess. Just in general how they shoot and what your impression is. Thanks.
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