Level III Patrol Armor Test

[DocGKR]

Grey Group Training.

[kaltesherz]

How does 5.45mm 7N6 perform against hard plates? Since it's becoming a more common round these days you might want to include it in future testing

[DocGKR]

Both M193 and M855 are harder to stop than the M74 FMJ (7N6) that we have tested. We have not had the opportunity to do formal wound ballistic testing against body armor using some of the newer 5.45x39mm military loads...

[johnlee]

No, they don't. They require "credentials," but did you catch the disclaimer? Other credential options are available so contact Triad if you have questions about the policy. I suggest you drop them a line or give them a call; you'll probably be pleasantly surprised at what they accept for creds from non-mil/LE type folks. I bought a set of soft armor inserts for my Eagle PC from Triad a couple years ago with no problems.

I've been dealing with this for years, I do private security. Many years ago I rode in an armor car, I was the target that carried the "easy" money in and out. I'll never do that job again without rifle plates over my soft armor. I may be going on that detail again soon as it pays more and I have a mortgage to pay.

Doc, any help for us civi's?

[BLACK LION]

There are a few places that will sell to "law abiding citizens" and "private professionals" alike. Places like Bulletproofme run you through a verbal disclaimer, while other places like Diamondbacktactical require you to fax a copy of a guard card, PI liscense or what have you.

[johnlee]

Thanks, I didn't know DBT would sell to security. I may have to contact them.

[DocGKR]

Lot's of vendors will sell to the public with reasonable credentials (LE, Mil ID, CCW Permit, Guard Card, PI Lic, EMT/Fire ID, etc...), for example Grey Group Training, Triad Tactical, LN Curtis, DBT, AMI to name a few.

[Altair]

If using armor that has a ceramic element, where can you get it X-Ray checked?

[500grains]

Lot's of vendors will sell to the public with reasonable credentials (LE, Mil ID, CCW Permit, Guard Card, PI Lic, EMT/Fire ID, etc...), for example Grey Group Training, Triad Tactical, LN Curtis, DBT, AMI to name a few.

Good on these guys! I really like companies that take a 'bad guys (presumably felons) vs. good guys' approach rather than a 'gov't vs. the common man' approach.

[Ak44]

Doc whats your opinion on the Defender plates on Crye's website? I planned on buying some AMI plates but the ones they offer (10x12) do not fit in my Medium JPC.