Acog/Docter combo

[JSantoro]

Well said Nick and Sub.

For every guy that likes the setup you will find five experienced users that don't.

This is what I've seen among those in our little gun club that got that monstrosity. They think it's going to be the freakin' heat until they get it, say to themselves, "Sorry, taxpayers; my bad!" and go back to a regular RCO setup or to an EOTech. That chin-weld aspect is the reason why the Corps stopped buying straight ACOGs (mounted to the A2s carry handle) and had the RCO developed for use with a railed upper.

It's a material solution to a training consideration, also, which I'm never a fan of. I'd never state that the RCO/ACOG is the best sight for your 50m-and-in shooting, but it's also one hell of a stretch to say that it doesn't work for short distances. Personally, that thing on top is yet another thing to get snagged on your gear at some point

[Thomas M-4]

I haven't tried the rds on top of the ACOG but it seems as if the 45 degree mount is the most preferred for an RDS with an acog for speed and some cheek weld.

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[Victor]

Here is the other alternative that many are using from Tactical Night Vision. The MURLM, (Multi-Use rail and Light Mount). It also has a quick detach light mount built into it. The unit takes a SLIGHT roll or peak over to see the dot, not an over cant. Hope this helps.

[benthughes]

The point being made about missing the sight plane going from the ACOG scope transitioning the Docter is pretty big. I tend to get excited and overshoot no matter how much I practice . In close confines I wouldn't even bother looking through the ACOG itself ( mines a 4x) sticking with the red dot. It's the switch up that kills

I sold my Eotech magnifier to help fund the ACOG. While I did prefer the Eotech+Magnifier combo it did have several disadvantages, the big one being weight. Quite versatile and quite quick. I don't have much issue hitting a torso sized target at 300 yards without the magnifier, the magnifier did make it a bit easier.

My favorite setup so far ( even over the ACOG) it a Burris XTR 1-4. Great reticle, tough scope, illuminated and reasonably priced. It has a fast fire RDS on top which while neat has the same problems as the ACOG/DOCTER. I prefer the Burris over my friends nightforce 1-4 nxs mildot. The nightforce glass is only slightly better, it is more compact
but again, the XTR reticle is killer.

[ChristisKing]

I had a acog with a jpoint on top and as long as you sight it in and know where your round will hit at certain distances you will be fine. You get use to the chin rest position pretty fast.
I zeroed my dot at 35 feet and knew it would be a couple inches low closer and a couple inches high at 75 feet. I just aimed a little lower at distances up to 100 yards. Over that range it was just as fast to shoot the acog.

To each there own, I liked it but I think I've moved on. I will be trying the dot and magnifier next.

[benthughes]

I'll qualify first that I don't kick doors or carry a rifle in my line of work so my applications are recreational/hunting
My issues with the RDS and magnifier were as follows:
1) Weight. Each component weighs almost as much as a variable 1-4
2) 4 sets of lenses to clean ( it matters)
3) Even though I had a good FTS mount the magnifier always felt "in the way" when not being used.
4) Still not as accurate as a scope.

What I liked:
1) Versatile. A variable scope is rarely as quick as A RDS. RDS don't magnify....problem solved.
2) With a quick detach the magnifier can be used ( to limited effect) a monocular for spotting
3) Target identification at longer ranges

[Chameleox]

Sorry, but I have to ask:
Does anyone know what battery life is supposed to be on the Docter sights?

[Kchen986]

Received my ACOG/Doc last January (Jan 09'). Swapped out the battery and zeroed. Always have the RDS cover off. Optic still works in daylight as of Jan 10.' Let's see how much longer before I need to replace the battery.

Although to be fair, my room is fairly dark.

[Alaskapopo]

In my opinion, I DON'T think it's an ideal set-up for real world situations involving real world stress.

I think the top mounted Dr. reddot was designed as a compromise to try and make the ACOG a more "all-around" practical set-up after the fact.

I think an Aimpoint or Eotech with a LaRue flip-mount magnifier is a far superior set-up, and it doesnt require any loss of the shooters cheekweld when switching from magnified to non-magnified.

I think if you were the Marine Corp, and you invested a butt-load of money & training into the ACOG's, then bolting a micro reddot on-top may be the most cost effective way to improve the CQB practicality of the gear you are already stuck with.... But if you have the option of choosing your own gear, and want to spend your own money on the most efficient & practical gear, then I think the dedicated 1x reddot optic (Aimpoint or Eotech) along with a LaRue flip-mounted magnifier would be a faaaar better choice.

Stay safe,
Nick

I dumped my Aimpoint and magnifier set up. I much prefer an ACOG with a off set mini red dot like my T1. It offers the advantages of a bullet drop compensator, instant switching from 1 x on the red dot to 3 x on the ACOG with just a slight tilt of the rifle. Far faster than moving the magnifier in the flip mount even.
Pat





This set up weighs less than my former Aimpoint M4 and 3x magnifier as well. Its a win win all the way around.
Pat

[decodeddiesel]

Pat, what mount do you have that T1 in? Is it a DD?