ACOG TA33H_G or Accupoint TR24

[Rickenbacker53]

ACOG TA33H_G or Accupoint TR24

I have boiled it down to these 2 optics. I have never posted here before ..so first off hi everyone

Just would like some opinions and also where the best place to get one ordered. I noticed from looking there are a wide range of pricing . Thanks for the help and input

Going to be using on a Smith AR with Installed Larue 7Inch Rail and Fug- Magpul CTR 16"

[Terry]

These are the 2 optics I have nailed it down to myself, so i can't be of much help.
One thing I don't know if you have considered or not is if a fixed front sight is used, some here have reported seeing a "shadow" with the TR24, other's are fine with it.
Good luck, Terry.

[roberto232]

Can't really help with the choice, I went with EOTech......but I will say I purchased mine off ebay for a great price.....

[steven58]

I own similar optics. An Accupoint TR21 amber triangle and a TA33R8.

Short answer: put the TA33 on your AR. Here is why...

While the Accupoint gives you 1-4 variable magnification it has no ranging ability. So past point blank range all it shows you is a slightly better view of what you can't hit.

My Accupoint is on my .308 bolt action deer rifle.
Advantages:
Shooting with both eyes open the Bidon aiming concept works well. On 1.25X, I took a successful shot at deer running flat out quartering away(it had been shot at, unsuccessfully, 4 times by another hunter) and I hit perfectly at 60 m. Believe me, it was the scope not me that did it. My Longest shot was 200 ish m.
This is a great scope in low light. Most deer I have taken were at first or last light and that big amber triangle is real easy to see against game right down to pitch black.

Try this experiment: put up a full size deer target with the white area around the image cut away. Observe it in late twilight through a regular scope and an Aimpoint. once it is dark enough you will still be able to see the deer through the cross hair scope but it will be extremely difficult to tell where on the dark deer the dark cross hairs intersect. The Aimpoint will show you where the round will hit long after a regular scope looses the ability.

Disadvantages: No ranging ability, reticule design makes holdover very difficult. I have no intention of shooting beyond 300 m. with this rifle. The Accupoint is more complex and delicate compared to the TA33.

My TA33R8 in a LaRue QD mount is on my POF 16" upper/LMT Defender Lower combo.

Shooting with both eyes open my impressions are:
In close: the red chevron is very fast (not Aimpoint fast but still fast). I get a flash sight picture and "bang"! Your reticule will be at least as fast. Some think that the "true 1X" of the TR 24 would give an advantage in close over a TA33. It won't. Both are magnifying optics both will distort and require a good cheek weld due to parallax. An Aimpoint will beat them both out to about 15 m.

Beyond Point Blank: Here is where the TA33 has the advantage. Using decent ammo, I can keep a 30 round magazine on a full size silhouette's torso at 600 m from prone supported.

With my back turned, I had a friend of mine set up 10 full size targets (the kind that are life like pictures of bad guys) randomly at unknown distances at a rifle range from 50 to 600 m. Using the ranging features of the TA33 I was able to successfully engage all targets and hit each one on the first shot. Just match the cross bar to the target's shoulder width and shoot.
The TA33 is about as bomb proof a scope as you can find.
Disadvantages: ACOG can be tricky to zero, but once set it stays set.

[Rickenbacker53]

I own similar optics. An Accupoint TR21 amber triangle and a TA33R8.

Short answer: put the TA33 on your AR. Here is why...

While the Accupoint gives you 1-4 variable magnification it has no ranging ability. So past point blank range all it shows you is a slightly better view of what you can't hit.

My Accupoint is on my .308 bolt action deer rifle.
Advantages:
Shooting with both eyes open the Bidon aiming concept works well. On 1.25X, I took a successful shot at deer running flat out quartering away(it had been shot at, unsuccessfully, 4 times by another hunter) and I hit perfectly at 60 m. Believe me, it was the scope not me that did it. My Longest shot was 200 ish m.
This is a great scope in low light. Most deer I have taken were at first or last light and that big amber triangle is real easy to see against game right down to pitch black.

Try this experiment: put up a full size deer target with the white area around the image cut away. Observe it in late twilight through a regular scope and an Aimpoint. once it is dark enough you will still be able to see the deer through the cross hair scope but it will be extremely difficult to tell where on the dark deer the dark cross hairs intersect. The Aimpoint will show you where the round will hit long after a regular scope looses the ability.

Disadvantages: No ranging ability, reticule design makes holdover very difficult. I have no intention of shooting beyond 300 m. with this rifle. The Accupoint is more complex and delicate compared to the TA33.

My TA33R8 in a LaRue QD mount is on my POF 16" upper/LMT Defender Lower combo.

Shooting with both eyes open my impressions are:
In close: the red chevron is very fast (not Aimpoint fast but still fast). I get a flash sight picture and "bang"! Your reticule will be at least as fast. Some think that the "true 1X" of the TR 24 would give an advantage in close over a TA33. It won't. Both are magnifying optics both will distort and require a good cheek weld due to parallax. An Aimpoint will beat them both out to about 15 m.

Beyond Point Blank: Here is where the TA33 has the advantage. Using decent ammo, I can keep a 30 round magazine on a full size silhouette's torso at 600 m from prone supported.

With my back turned, I had a friend of mine set up 10 full size targets (the kind that are life like pictures of bad guys) randomly at unknown distances at a rifle range from 50 to 600 m. Using the ranging features of the TA33 I was able to successfully engage all targets and hit each one on the first shot. Just match the cross bar to the target's shoulder width and shoot.
The TA33 is about as bomb proof a scope as you can find.
Disadvantages: ACOG can be tricky to zero, but once set it stays set.

Steve, I appreciate the in depth comment. It was very helpful . For the most part I will be shooting at 50 Meters to 250. Rarely past 250 and even more rarely inside 50. Quite Frankly from 15 m and closer , I normally practice with Iron sights.

If I am reading what you answered correctly: Your saying I can use the TA33 at 15-40 Meters and it will be fast. Not as Fast as an Aimpoint but fast. Anything farther away than that I will blow the Aimpoint away..

What are your thoughts on the TA33H opposed to the 8 ..The 8 seems more readly available. Based on an average cost of $850.00 ..Larue at 917.00 is reasonable as long as they send the stock mount and their mount with your purchase. How nice is Larue Mount compared to the stock mount?

[steven58]

I have used my TA33 at 10 m. and out to 600 m. It works you just use it differently: In close quick reaction drills I just put the red "blob" center mass and fire. yes, its still a chevron and in focus but I don't take the time to use it as more than a red dot. depending on what I am practicing, I can do that out to 50 m or so. From about 25 m out you can also start using the tip of the chevron or the red tip of the vertical bar as more precise aim points. The instruction manual will tell you what parts of the reticule will line up with different distances. and you can fine tune that with your own ammo selection.

You can't use iron sights with any magnifying optic as you can't see the front sight through the scope. You need a folding rear sight. Folding front is optional, your choice.

The TA33 will never be faster than an Aimpoint type sight at any distance. It just allows more precision as you get past 50 m and has a Bullet Drop Compensator/ranging reticule for the longer distances.

For the ranges you are talking about (300 m max) an Aimpoint would be the better choice however, if you want to keep the option of hitting out to 600 with only a slight trade off in speed I recomend the ACOG. 90% of my shooting is sub 300 m. But, every now and then I get to go to my friends club where they have a 600 m. rifle range. Its comforting to know that from 10 to 600 m. if I can see it I can hit it.

I have not used the H model but the reticule seems very nice in that it is more open for 100 to 300 m use.
The chevron reticule can be a bit thick and covers smaller targets in that range and the first 3 aimpoints are crowded into it. When zeroed at 100 m the first 3 impact/aim points are:
100m= top of triangle tip
200m= underside of triangle tip
300m= iluminated tip of vertical bar

I think that for your purposes the red or amber chevron would serve you well. The H reticule is just out so it will sell at a premium (when available) In the meantime the chevron versions will be discounted even though the only difference is the shape of the reticule. If you can find a TA338 for around $600ish buy it.

I love the LaRue mount! Very clean, simple and bombproof. I can take it off and put it back on with no tools with perfect return to zero. It is also lighter, more streamlined and more compact than the stock mount. I ordered the LaRue separately and then sold my original mount on Gunbroker for about $50.

A few things to consider: The TA33 comes in the "8" version(calibrated for 5.56 NATO) and the "9" version (calibrated for 7.62 NATO). for your use you need the "8"
The reticule color is a real personal thing. Get to a store that has Trijicon products in both colors, It does not have to be the same ACOG or even an ACOG. compare amber and red and pick the one you like best. For some who have red/green colorblindness issues the red chevron does not seem bright enough Cabelas /Bass Pro usually has both colors of Accupoints.

Enjoy!

[JSantoro]

One thing I don't know if you have considered or not is if a fixed front sight is used, some here have reported seeing a "shadow" with the TR24.

Virtually everybody sees the blur of the FSB in either sight. The "some" you speak of is the sum total of those who have an actual issue with it and insist that it interferes or totally occludes their vision through the optics in question.

These individuals are significantly in the minority. Optically, scientifically, it's a non-issue. No different that using binos to "burn" through concealment; you can still see through the blurry branches in front of you, which in no way gets in the way of observation downrange.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Why don't they put a H reticle in the TR24? Is it a technical or a marketing thing. That would seem to be the real killer application. "Poor" mans Short Dot. Have it range right at 4x?

[steven58]

Yeah, you will see a "shadow" of the front sight. Usually it appears at the 6 o'clock position and you will learn to ignore it, especially if you focus on the target not the reticule.

On my .308 bolt, which has no irons mounted, I see a shadow image of the barrel when on 1.25X. As you up the magnification it becomes fainter and somewhere between 3-4 it's gone. Be a "mensch", ignore it!

[lj_1187]

I have also narrowed my search down to these 2 optics, well close, the TA31H-G is what Im lookin at compared to the TR24G. Im leaning towards the TA31H-G, but I have yet to see anyone selling them. I have seen the TA11G and the TA33H-G, but not the TA31. Hopefully it will be soon!