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    I am the new owner of a Bushmaster optics ready carbine. I most likely would not have purchased a Bushmaster if i had been a member of this site before my purchase. Most of my friends that are "gun people" said that Bushmasters are of pretty good quality. I also figured that because the price was on par with higher end rifles that the quality was there. Most of my information I obtained about Bushmaster was through the internet. I didnt do much in depth reading, just some general google searches and reading of some reviews. Again, I kinda wish I had discovered this website during my pre-purchase research. Am I upset that I bought a Bushmaster? No, not really. The reason I bought my carbine locally, (for a higher price than the net), was because my local gun store was willing to let me pay for it over time in small installments.(layaway) I know its kinda ghetto but, hey, its the only way I could afford the rifle, so I am happy with what I've got. I also enjoy tinkering and upgrading my weapons, so I'm not too bummed that I will need to replace some components to put it on par with some of the higher quality rifles.

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    For me it was ignorance..........................

    plain and simple. I had handguns already and wanted a rifle/carbine for HD.
    Although I used the internet for info on many things, guns were not one of
    them.
    My main source of information on AR15's was of course gun magazines. I would
    buy every issue of every gun/rifle mag I could find.
    Hence, my first 2 M4 purchases were a post-ban Bushmaster superlight, and
    later a RRA Entry Tactical. I mean according to the magazine reviews they were
    simply badass, heck they were used by the DEA, and military according to the
    rags.
    I found M4 carbine about 2 months after the RRA purchase . This sight was also a revelation about the training that is available out there. Until M4carbine no one I spoke with could tell me where I could find training beyond your typical CCW
    class.
    Since finding M4C I have sold the Bushmaster, purchased a CDDM4LE,and Colt6920. Ditched the Tasco red dot that went down after about 400rnds and purchased a Comp M3 and CompML2. I've kept the RRA since it consistently shoots sub-moa with a Millet DMS-1 scope. I've taken 1 carbine course and 2 handgun courses. Through the storehouse of knowledge here I've learned things about the AR platform and performed upgrades that I thought would've required a
    gunsmith. Rob's input helped me unf#%!k my gear, F2S,Grant, GotM4, and
    countless others here,their knowledge has been a godsend.
    Of course, the only rough side is the close to $4000 spent at G+R, Bravo etc,

    Thank you all.
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    I most probably have simply stopped casting pearls".
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    My Dad bought our first AR in 1985ish. We looked at Colts-$500 and someone recommended a Sendra at $250. They were a local company that put together AR's out of some of their stuff and who knows what else. They built a lot of full auto stuff too. This one was an A1 style and always shot great but we probably only put 1000 rounds through it in the 10 years we owned it. He got bored with it and gave it to me.

    I wish I kept it but I wanted a varminter so I sold it. The 20" varminter was custom built on an Eagle receiver and upper. I have put quite a few rounds through it (400 in one day on a pdog hunt) with the only issue being a free floated handguard that came loose. I had a couple friends that had the Colt target version and it couldn't shoot nearly as well so it made me a little skeptical about Colt's quality.

    My carbine that I have today is not a tier 1 gun and I trust it. It probably doesn't get shot nearly enough to create the issues that others have seen but I am good about maintaining it and it has returned the favor. Most of my experience with carbines has been at the shooting range. Between that and a couple small classes, I have mostly seen hiccups with Olympic and DPMS.

    My latest purchase was a BCM mid-length upper and was purely based off of the high recommendations of this board. I hope you guys are right.
    "The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental." John Steinbeck

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarshallDodge View Post
    My latest purchase was a BCM mid-length upper and was purely based off of the high recommendations of this board. I hope you guys are right.
    it's a numbers game, just like baseball... and BCMs currently batting about 990.

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    I bought my first AR in 1990, I was 19. It was an Olympic Arms.

    The price was right, I ordered a lower and an upper from them directly to the shop I worked at at the time.

    We didn't know any better back then....it was Colt, Olympic, or Quality Parts (Bushmaster).

    The Oly would lock up and give me a failure to extract after about 60 or 80 rounds. I sent it back to Oly, they "fixed it", and sent it back. Next trip to the range, I got another stuck case after 80 rounds.

    To Oly's credit, they took it back and refunded my money.

    I took the money and did what I should have done the first time....a Colt R6520, the predecessor of the LE6520.

    From then on, it's been Colts....either SP-1 rifles and carbines, or AR15A2's, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post

    Back in the day, i got ALL my information from gunshops and gunshows. there was an internet, but it didn't have gun forums or other databases full of technical info. you could "chat" on AOL or order a book on Amazon.com, but that was all the internet was good for back then.

    this is really just for my own curiosity. I don't go to gun shows but once a year to stock up on ammo, and i don't go into gun-shops unless i have a specific handgun i want to hold in real life. so i have no clue what information is available at ground-level these days, or what the current perpetuating myths are, etc, and it would be interesting to hear. furthermore, hearing the reasonings of people who then, later, did get educated, would be helpful in creating effective arguments to others considering purchasing some POS gun.
    I here you. After being in the Army for quite a while, All I knew was Colt. My first AR was a neutered post band 20" A2 Sporter. I almost followed up with an Bushie M-4 type rifle after the AWB expired, thinking that they were all the same. Back then, most folks claimed it was ABC (Armelite/Bushmaster/Colt), in that order. TOS was the only forum around so most folks took them as the Gosple to ARs. It's very easy for the lay person, including Military and LEOs, to make the same assumption. No disrespect for those who made an uninformed purchase at all. That's why we have lots of threads here to get those weapons up to speed and reliable.
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    I bought a DPMS at the gun show. I knew it wasnt the top of the line of all carbines, and I was not misinformed by ignorant gunshop owners. Sometimes you just have to reach down into your pocket and ask yourself what you can afford. It makes me laugh sometimes. I put up a thread about DPMS and why people on here think that they are basically scrap metal. Well if that wasn't like throwin a chicken in the lions den. Everyone on here thinks if you don't have a Colt, Armalite, CD etc... then piss on you and your pathetic excuse for a rifle. Well if these guys really upheld their top notch or nothin philosophy, then they should all be driving the most expensive, or "highest quality" cars. But there is a good chance that they dont. And whatever difference in quality there may be, you never hear about first hand, I was there and saw it happen, accounts of a less expensive rifle failing where a Colt did not. Yall need to quit being pricks about shit like this, and realize that we are all on the same team here. We all have a common interest. And please do not assume that someone who owns a less expensive rifle is ignorant. They just cannot justify spending all the extra money for a weapon that is so marginally different from the one that costs half the price. And no matter what you do, there will always be a weapon that is more accurate, more reliable, lighter, more powerful or whatever you look for in a gun, than your top end AR-15. It all costs money. Ask me why I didn't buy a Colt, and Ill ask you why you didn't buy a_________.

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    I bought my M&P15x during the height of the frenzy and the Colts were out of my financial reach. I payed way to much for my Smith which has been flawless for its 682 rounds fired so far.

    After joining this forum and reading about the real Tier 1 rifles I now have the addiction for that Colt, Noveske, LMT, or DD. My next purchase will be on of those and I will use this Smith to learn my iron sights and get a lot of practice time in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mhanna91 View Post
    I bought a DPMS at the gun show. I knew it wasnt the top of the line of all carbines, and I was not misinformed by ignorant gunshop owners. Sometimes you just have to reach down into your pocket and ask yourself what you can afford. It makes me laugh sometimes. I put up a thread about DPMS and why people on here think that they are basically scrap metal. Well if that wasn't like throwin a chicken in the lions den. Everyone on here thinks if you don't have a Colt, Armalite, CD etc... then piss on you and your pathetic excuse for a rifle. Well if these guys really upheld their top notch or nothin philosophy, then they should all be driving the most expensive, or "highest quality" cars. But there is a good chance that they dont. And whatever difference in quality there may be, you never hear about first hand, I was there and saw it happen, accounts of a less expensive rifle failing where a Colt did not. Yall need to quit being pricks about shit like this, and realize that we are all on the same team here. We all have a common interest. And please do not assume that someone who owns a less expensive rifle is ignorant. They just cannot justify spending all the extra money for a weapon that is so marginally different from the one that costs half the price. And no matter what you do, there will always be a weapon that is more accurate, more reliable, lighter, more powerful or whatever you look for in a gun, than your top end AR-15. It all costs money. Ask me why I didn't buy a Colt, and Ill ask you why you didn't buy a_________.

    Mark.
    you've made a couple of valid points- but, as so many have tried before, comparing guns to cars doesn't really work. if a car had reliability issues that could get a person killed, it would be pulled off the market really fast... DPMS, as far as i know, has yet to recall all their rifles. furthermore, there's nobody on earth who can't afford a Colt, but can afford a DPMS. we're talking about a difference of a couple hundred bucks- not tens, dozens, or hundreds of thousands of dollars, such as with cars. ARs, while expensive, are not SO expensive that there's ever a reason not to get a good quality gun- and that's the whole point!
    Last edited by bkb0000; 07-01-09 at 22:08.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rharris2163 View Post
    I here you. After being in the Army for quite a while, All I knew was Colt. My first AR was a neutered post band 20" A2 Sporter. I almost followed up with an Bushie M-4 type rifle after the AWB expired, thinking that they were all the same. Back then, most folks claimed it was ABC (Armelite/Bushmaster/Colt), in that order. TOS was the only forum around so most folks took them as the Gosple to ARs. It's very easy for the lay person, including Military and LEOs, to make the same assumption. No disrespect for those who made an uninformed purchase at all. That's why we have lots of threads here to get those weapons up to speed and reliable.
    not only was Colt the only AR I had any experience with, having been in the Army myself when I was starting to build, but i fell to the common military myth about "lowest bidders," and so forth. my m16a2 in OSUT was a pretty rotten piece of shit, as were many others around me. Once I got a taste of Real Army, and was issued a brand new m16a4, i just attributed it's strong performance to luck and the fact that it was brand new. what i didn't take into account was the fact that the weapons they issued us in OSUT were freaken 20 years old and were DX'd directly after our cycle. the next round of greenhorns all got brand new A4s...

    so on my own dime, i was doing my best to stay AWAY from colt. what few colt parts i used in that first build, i used reluctantly.

    I always get a kick when people use military experience as a badge of weapon knowledge... soldiers learn to shoot and kick ass, they learn nothing about the technical side.

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