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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    you've made a couple of valid points- but, as so many have tried before, comparing guns to cars doesn't really work. if a car had reliability issues that could get a person killed, it would be pulled off the market really fast... DPMS, as far as i know, has yet to recall all their rifles. furthermore, there's nobody on earth who can't afford a Colt, but can afford a DPMS. we're talking about a difference of a couple hundred bucks- not tens, dozens, or hundreds of thousands of dollars, such as with cars. ARs, while expensive, are not SO expensive that there's ever a reason not to get a good quality gun- and that's the whole point!
    quoted for truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    you've made a couple of valid points- but, as so many have tried before, comparing guns to cars doesn't really work. if a car had reliability issues that could get a person killed, it would be pulled off the market really fast... DPMS, as far as i know, has yet to recall all their rifles. furthermore, there's nobody on earth who can't afford a Colt, but can afford a DPMS. we're talking about a difference of a couple hundred bucks- not tens, dozens, or hundreds of thousands of dollars, such as with cars. ARs, while expensive, are not SO expensive that there's ever a reason not to get a good quality gun- and that's the whole point!
    I have yet to see any reliability issue with my gun that will get me killed. And no, it seems like the price difference between my DPMS and a Colt is not just a couple hundred bucks. Its more like $6-800. If I can buy two of my rifles for the same price as your one rifle, then that means that if the need ever arised, I would have an extra rifle to put on my fathers, brothers, or hell, even neighbors hands. Tell me that dont make sense. And yes, firearms can be compared to cars. The point of buying a new car is to have a nice quality mode of transportation right? Well lets go back in time and say I want to buy a new truck. I could buy this years model with a 4 bolt main-small block 350, or, for $500 less, I can buy last years model with the 2 bolt main-small block 350. Is there a marginal difference? yes. If I bought last years model will I ever notice it? no, not unless I drop the oil pan and look for it. Will it make my truck less reliable? no. If I have to haul a load of hogs to auction so that I can afford to buy a DPMS AR-15 to protect my family with, will the ol girl make it? Hell yes.

    And I am the person who can afford a DPMS and not a Colt.
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    I actually snookered my own self into this rra due to the two stage trigger and Wilson bbls they advertised.....swapped it even for a brno .22 k-hornet on another forum. Have shot several rra's and they do well on paper and the trigger is good. Have also sold a few to recreational shooters and hunters and they are just tickled to death with my suggestion of the rra.

    I was mad when I 1st saw the 'list', but I'm now very happy with the gun again, as I came back to earth and realized I have a way to go on the learnig curve and what I need / want from an AR. It's a blast to shoot and have not had any issues in the few hundred rounds she has consumed. It's not my primary home defensive gun anyway...have my benelli quail killer for that.

    My next ar will be several notches up on the quality parts that go into it and I don't even know what they will be. Will probably let you guys help decide as I move forward.

    I think for the casual shooter, they are ok with the low-man-on-totem pole-ar's. A very small % will come close to the cruel torture some of you put them though.....still, I want and will have a top notch sbr once I figure out what it is.
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    I bought my OLY because of lack of knowledge, didn't know alot about guns and was to stubborn to ask anyone. Thanks to sites like this and knowledgable people i have met i have since sold the POS and went with a LMT
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    mhanna91- Um, your reliability issue that gets you killed, you won't see it. We have seen your other posts and it's quite clear you are unable, or unwilling, to acknowledge fact and real world experience. At this point, no one really takes your comments seriously. You are simply one of the ignorant people that are on M4 but should be on TOS. Your "ideas" simply confirm what we already know about you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhanna91 View Post
    I have yet to see any reliability issue with my gun that will get me killed. And no, it seems like the price difference between my DPMS and a Colt is not just a couple hundred bucks. Its more like $6-800. If I can buy two of my rifles for the same price as your one rifle, then that means that if the need ever arised, I would have an extra rifle to put on my fathers, brothers, or hell, even neighbors hands. Tell me that dont make sense. And yes, firearms can be compared to cars. The point of buying a new car is to have a nice quality mode of transportation right? Well lets go back in time and say I want to buy a new truck. I could buy this years model with a 4 bolt main-small block 350, or, for $500 less, I can buy last years model with the 2 bolt main-small block 350. Is there a marginal difference? yes. If I bought last years model will I ever notice it? no, not unless I drop the oil pan and look for it. Will it make my truck less reliable? no. If I have to haul a load of hogs to auction so that I can afford to buy a DPMS AR-15 to protect my family with, will the ol girl make it? Hell yes.

    And I am the person who can afford a DPMS and not a Colt.
    i had a great reply to this, but the fact of the matter is- this has nothing to do with this thread. we're not here to argue the merits of DPMS. and if it turns into that, i'll just request the mods shut it down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6933 View Post
    mhanna91- Um, your reliability issue that gets you killed, you won't see it. We have seen your other posts and it's quite clear you are unable, or unwilling, to acknowledge fact and real world experience. At this point, no one really takes your comments seriously. You are simply one of the ignorant people that are on M4 but should be on TOS. Your "ideas" simply confirm what we already know about you.
    What the hell is TOS? And I have not yet heard one bit of real world experience from any of the people on here. My real world experience is that guns are good. They are fun. They WILL protect me. It is also easy to spend WAYY too much money on guns. Thats a fact. Everyone talks about "superior" performance in the field, but like I said, not one person has come up with a first hand account. Do you have any? If you do lets hear it. Otherwise i'll just count you as just another person who just wants to put down on others for no reason at all. on the fn internet. thats pathetic. get a fn life dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    I always get a kick when people use military experience as a badge of weapon knowledge... soldiers learn to shoot and kick ass, they learn nothing about the technical side.
    Brother....I'm one of those ones that give you a kick

    My military experience drove me to buy only Colt. I need to add in that the experience spanned 21 years. I know the technical side very well....via illegal disassembly and a yearning for knowledge.

    My first & second 'civilian' purchases were for Colts; 6721 & 6920. I'm one week away from trading my 6721 for a new RRA NMA4. My daughter has really taken to shooting and I need a 20" barrel for her trip to Camp Perry at the end of the month.
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    OK! I have a feeling that I am going to open a hell of a can of worms here..... First off, I am not saying that I do not like Colt here BUT from my experience, I can't see how the Colt is better than RRA or Bushmaster. AGAIN I said MY EXPERIENCE. I am a police officer and have been for 11 years. The only colts that I have come across are the ones that were given to us buy the US military. Remember, the military awards jobs to the LOWEST bidder. They are M-16 A-1's with 20" bbls. They are too long for indoor work and they rattle like hell between the lower and upper receivers. Although A-1's they were brand new in the box when they came. I own a Colt lower that I had on an FN upper receiver and although it worked without a hiccup, the trigger was less than crisp. All of the AR platforms other than the Colts are either Bushmasters or Stag in several different configurations. I have personally owned a Bushmaster carbine and used it frequently for about 13 years. I wasn't very into shooting the ARs because of my love for handgun shooting. I also purchased an Oly in .45 ACP so I could shoot at the local indoor range (pistol caliber only) in the winter months. I had never had a functioning problem with this particular gun due to the way I care for all of my guns but it did start falling apart so I found a buyer for that one as quickly as I could. I then began putting lower receivers together for friends and I began to enjoy building rifles no matter what brand the were. I purchased 5 stripped lowers for myself at the beginning of the Obama scare and they are 2 S&W m&ps, a Calvary Arms plastic lower (looked neat and couldn't beat the price) which I will sell after I build it for parts for another build and 2 RRA lowers. I have one of the M&P lowers built, after metal conditioning all of the parts, and I used a Double Star LPK which has the exact markings as the out of the box S&W M&Ps and Stag Arms rifles. I liked the trigger in this lower better than my Colt so I switched my main AR platform over to the S&W M&P. My set up that I use now when I am at work and go to classes is a S&W M&P lower with a FN upper on a Wilson 11.5 heavy chrome lined bbl with a PWS brake, a Colt bolt and carrier, Magpul MBUS, ASAP, MAID grip, MOE stock, trigger guard and rail covers. Surefire M73 quad rail with a Pentagon Duo Light and a Knights MFG vert grip. The weapon is topped with an Eotech 553. I guess by standards of most of the posts in here, this weapon is not up to par. I can say though, I am not a precision shooter but I hit paper every time moving or not, prone, sitting, kneeling or standing. I have not had a malfunction since I switched to P-mags in November and the gun is the smoothest out of all of my department's and friend's rifles. I guess what I am trying to say in SO many words is that I am not too up to date on all the best of the best parts out there (that's why I joined this forum) but I would bet my life on my rifle and it functions better than what my department issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoryCop25 View Post
    Remember, the military awards jobs to the LOWEST bidder. They are M-16 A-1's with 20" bbls. They are too long for indoor work and they rattle like hell between the lower and upper receivers.
    once again- this isn't a thread to argue whether or not these weapons are inferior- the standard of this board, and for our purposes, inferior weapons ARE inferior, and that's the basis we're going off. i do have to reply to this, however, to correct some misinformation:

    the military does NOT award their weapons contracts to the lowest bidder. see my post above. i say again: the military does NOT award to lowest bidder. i don't have any links off hand on the selection process, but the military puts out a criteria to be filled, and cost does factor in- but the award is given to the manufacturer that produces the most reliable product within the specs given.

    no perpetuation of that unfortunate myth.

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