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    I guess it is just human nature to try to defend what choices we make, right or wrong. But as rightfully stated these rifles are tools built by companies to different specs and the pieces parts DO make a difference.

    Far too often it is our nature to jump into the game before we truly understand the rules. Had I spent a little more time reading and learning and had I not been a victim of baracknophobia, I would have saved up a little more and bought the Colt 6920.

    Discussions such as this trying to ask a simple honest question always gets sidelined by people who are not willing to see and acknowledge the differences that make up the various Tier Levels.
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    My first non military use AR is going to be a Noveske lower with a Noveske upper or LaRue upper. Not for tactical use but for hunting use and target shooting. Probably will get a second upper for close in work but lower priority. Stocking up on ammo and quality spare parts. Who know what the future holds for AR type guns in this climate. Looks like ammo is more an issue than the guns. How high can 5.56/223 get per 1000?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRMan03 View Post
    My first non military use AR is going to be a Noveske lower with a Noveske upper or LaRue upper. Not for tactical use but for hunting use and target shooting. Probably will get a second upper for close in work but lower priority. Stocking up on ammo and quality spare parts. Who know what the future holds for AR type guns in this climate. Looks like ammo is more an issue than the guns. How high can 5.56/223 get per 1000?
    I dont want to find out!
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    Unlike some poor souls who bought first, cried about lower quality, then researched afterwards; I've been doing my homework for months before making a choice.
    I've wanted a carbine for about five years now, but never saw a need for one. Now, this world is deteriorating and I'm getting paranoid. The last straw was when Nobama was elected President and started his Presidency wanting to shut down Guantanamo.....I knew it was all going to go to crap from there.....Sure enough, look at our situations today....So I decided it was time to load up on the goodies and buy that Black rifle!

    I started out wanting a Bushy carbine since my brother-in-law, who is a Tx DPS Sarge, showed me his Bushy M4 duty carbine with an EOTech on top. I really liked it and wanted to go for the new Bushy Gas Piston rifle for about 3 weeks or so. Then, I started seeing how many guys were shying away from piston rifles. It got me thinking and digging more.
    Next, thing I knew, I saw a DDM4. It was over at that point for me. It had a 1:7 twist that would handle the heavier bullets(and tracers if I got a wild hair), it was all mil-spec stuff, and it looked badass! BUT, I knew I wanted to go with FDE on many accessories, so some DD Black ones would need to be replaced and sold.

    Then this week, along comes the DD XV. Exactly what I wanted to start with for my first AR. Why waste money on something that isn't exactly what you want the first time. Do it right from the beginning.
    My plan for my build is already fully mapped out and I don't have to resell any of the parts I wanted to replace anyway.........

    1. DD XV M4
    2. Samson STAR-CX-EBR with front sight cutout OR a Vltor CASV-EL in FDE
    (Prefer the VLtor for the $$ and looks, but can't find one in FDE, In Stock anywhere!!!
    3. TangoDown QD Vertical Grip in FDE
    4. Magpul MIAD Grip in FDE (with waterproof Battery core insert)
    5. EOTech 557 w/ 4x magnifier (Last on my list since I have a spare Burris 3-9x scope to mount for now)
    6. Magpul MOE Milspec in FDE
    7. (5) 30 round Magpul PMAGs with Maglevel in FDE
    8. Daniel Defense Rear Receiver QD Swivel Attachment Point
    9. Daniel Defense Rail Mount QD Sling Swivel
    10. LaRue Tactical QD Two Point Sling in Tan
    11. Inova Tactical Flashlight Weapon Mount
    12. Inova Inforce Color LED Combat Flashlight INF-S-W-RGBW (Already bought it for a steal of a deal!!!)

    WHEW!!!! Good thing my wife doesn't know what I want or I'd be shot with it!!!

    Once that list is complete I ain't changing. Get good quality from the beginning if you can afford it, even if you stage it little by little.
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    Because Bushmaster was approved for duty use by my department whereas Colt was not.
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    For me, back in the day not everyone had opinion on what was a good AR. Internet and computers in general were a pricey thing that "geeks" had so no info from there. No tactical type publications only blued steel and wood type stuff. What to do with cash burning a hole in the pocket of your Levis.... you go down to the ever helpful and well stocked "Gunstore" and have the guy behind the counter advise you...thats how I ended up with a Pre Armalite Eagle EA15. I was lucky, never had a single issue with that one in its original format and in its current iteration M4 clone but did not know any better after that. I inquired a number of LE guys, but sadly they were little help too. I asked a local PD firearms instructor about ARs and he said "Get an 870..". I bought a Oly 20inch PCR rifle after the Eagle and, oh boy, that thing gave me headaches all the time. I learned alot of what can be wrong with AR with that one. After some time,I sold the upper, stripped the lower to the bare metal and tossed it in the safe. Fast foward a few years, Oly lower is rebuilt with Tier 1 parts (geissele trigger, Colt everything else,Vltor Mod stock, Tangodown grip, etc.) upper is Sabre XM4 type...gun runs great but not with out a ton of work on my part along with a few schools on ARs. Point is, now I know alot more and have advised newbies on what to buy and what not to buy because now its not a inexpensive hobby and although there are a ton aftermarket parts for your AR some are garbage that just part you from your bucks. I blame ignorance and a little bit of laziness on folks who get a clunker AR these days. The internet in general and specifically this site, LF, etc has a ton of good useful info on ARs. Currently there are a good amount of tactical type magazines out there that one can get the same or better info than the 'net. For me, I was ignorant, lazy and, this is the bad vice, hasty when I bought that Oly PCR. No one to blame but myself ...live and learn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    i'd bet $1 right here and now you have no one but yourself to blame for any information beyond how to shoot and clean. no?
    The dollar is your's. I harvested a TM while at NBC school when the A2s came out.

    I was in the Infantry

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Have you ever tried? You might be surprised what they are willing to tell you if you find the right person at the company and work your way past the idiot answering the phone, or representing the company on an internet forum.

    A member of TOS recently took it upon himself to discover what steel Armalite was using in their barrels. He damn near got himself banned from there for doing it, but ultimately the lackey that represents Armalite on the forums went and found somebody that actually knows and shared the information. If you look at the current Chart you'll see that they have a different spec in their column, but it's still a spec nonetheless, and the only reason the information is there is because someone hounded them and got the answer.
    Speaking of that, in the chart why is it that for those brands marked as 4150 barrel steel they are not listed as being compliant with MIL-B-11595-E? It is one of the three alloys listed in the spec.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nogoodnamesleft View Post
    Speaking of that, in the chart why is it that for those brands marked as 4150 barrel steel they are not listed as being compliant with MIL-B-1195-E? It is one of the three alloys listed in the spec.
    Because 4150 is NOT the same as MIL-B-1195-E!

    This is one of the biggest lies told to the AR community.


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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Because 4150 is NOT the same as MIL-B-1195-E!

    This is one of the biggest lies told to the AR community.


    C4
    Please explain. MIL-B-11595-E lists three alloys, one labeled as 4150.

    From https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=37

    Table One (listed above) shows three types of chemical compositions and ranges for Mil-Spec 4150 barrel steel as defined by 11595.
    ORD4150, ORD4150-Resulferized, and Chrome-Moly-Vanadium (CMV) should not be confused with the generic term of a Chrome Moly barrel. My opinion and the opinion of the US Government (as defined by the Mil-Spec) is that one of the three is not better than the others. They are all they same and are all 11595 (Mil-Spec) barrel steel. In some descriptions used by steel companies I have seen the Grade of CMV further listed as 41V45, which is a bit more descriptive, but probably just add confusion in this context.
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