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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuckatelli View Post
    Brother....I'm one of those ones that give you a kick

    My military experience drove me to buy only Colt. I need to add in that the experience spanned 21 years. I know the technical side very well....via illegal disassembly and a yearning for knowledge.

    My first & second 'civilian' purchases were for Colts; 6721 & 6920. I'm one week away from trading my 6721 for a new RRA NMA4. My daughter has really taken to shooting and I need a 20" barrel for her trip to Camp Perry at the end of the month.
    you're not an exception, however- your knowledge of the platform came from your own pursuits. i don't know what branch or MOSs you served, but unless you were an armorer (and probably not even then), i'd bet $1 right here and now you have no one but yourself to blame for any information beyond how to shoot and clean. no?

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    i bought a bushmaster because there wasn't any internet or forums at that time and they were still called quality parts company
    my first two ARs were colts which i bought back in '85-86. i bought a bushy after that as it had flat top (v-match) configs available, and they advertised themselves as 'the best' in their catalogs. there weren't too many other choices. i actually still use the same bushy lowers which i bought back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoryCop25 View Post
    Remember, the military awards jobs to the LOWEST bidder.
    I don’t mean to initiate the shit-storm, but I am honestly so sick of hearing this that I could scream. I am prior service, and a Contracting Officer for the Fed. Gov. We award to the lowest bidder THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT! Even after that there are considerations such as past performance, support, R&D potential, etc. The contract award process for something as substantial as a weapons system takes years. If the DoD solicits to the open market for M4s next year, none of the current offerings from the likes of Bushmaster, RRA, DPMS, Armalite, etc. will even be considered. Their bids will be thrown out in the first stages of evaluation because they don’t even meet the minimum standard to be the lowest bidder.

    On the other hand, if you have a carbine that has proven itself to you, then that may be all that matters. When most members of this site speak of reliable carbines, they mean a weapon that can digest 1500 - 2000 rounds in a one weekend course, with minimal maintenance and no major malfunctions. Ask yourself if you think your weapon could take that.

    Most concerns have to do with quality control. If a company won’t use the bare minimum military standard (the one the “lowest bidder” performs) then how is the rest of their quality control? If you already have the gun, and it has performed well through a large enough round count to make a diagnosis, then you are probably good to go. Check out the stickies here, and perform a few reliability mods and it will probably serve you well. Just don’t expect to grab an untested weapon off the rack, that doesn’t meet a standard and have it be as reliable as a weapon that does. This is what a new buyer needs to be concerned about, even it they are not.

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    I chose my LMT (my first m4) because I knew my friend selling it to me knew guns very very very well. He was quite serious in purchasing a carbine that would reliably run, even if run hard, and his collection of arms is quality. He decided after owning it for 3 months and never shooting it that he wanted something with a little more knockdown power. He sold it to me for $200 less than he had in it, and allowed me to pay it off on 12moSAC terms. Admittedly I did almost no research except for seeing lmt's website and getting a few question answered by some people on xdtalk.com and TOS. A few dealers around town told me what I needed to know about that weapon too, and I jumped at the chance to own my first AR. After seeing the specs of the weapon I knew I wasn't getting a POS but a Tier 1 weapon. I wanted that in case of the opportunity to become a local LEO, and that process is nearing an answer from the chief hopefully this month! But aside from that, it's been a phenomenal gun. keep PMags in it, and no troubles. I'm definitely not regretting purchasing that gun from him. Is that enough for a $0.02 deposit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    i don't have any links off hand on the selection process,
    It is a virtual library of manuals and regulations for even a simple award for something like coffee. Someone who has made an award for a weapons system, could easily make a novel out of the experience.

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    Discussions like this remind me of Harley vs Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki riders. I had a hard core Harley rider ask me one time how much I paid for my Suzuki Intruder with all the accessories I put on it. I told him $7,400 and another $1,500 in accessories. He then said something that blew me away "So for under $10,000 you have a bike that looks better then a $30,000 Harley." Now Harley riders can be a bit snobbish, as I have had more Harley riders look straight at me and not wave or nod then any other group this includes the crotch rocket riders. Sad fact is I think a few of them are mid-life crises dudes who watched a few episodes of American Chopper and though that's what I want to do, and now they think they are hard core bikers.

    I bought a S&W M&P15A as my first AR15. I paid around $900 bucks for it, before Obama hit the fan. I was looking at RRA and though about putting my own together, when I came across the M&P15A. It was a good deal and I don't feel at all that this AR15 is any less then a Colt etc. If I had a do over I would still pick the M&P15A. I would love to own a Harley someday, just like I may own a Colt someday. I really don't see where I gain much with the Colt other then resale value. We'll I didn't buy my bike to sell it and I didn't my my AR to sell it.

    I think the true value of a forum like this is not to tell people they should have bought a Colt. I think the true value comes from helping people make what they have work. Maybe there should be different sections for S&W owners or BM owners or even Oly owners?

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    I did once buy an Olympic Arms AR-15 that was missing some parts and had been the victim of bad garage gunsmith work. Basically, I wanted a cheap, beater rifle to tinker with (to improve my own skills) and something I wasn't going to worry about if I made a mistake. It was like giving a med student a cadaver before letting him near a live patient. -The rifle served its purpose. I learned from working on it and I sold it for about what I had in it.

    It's a bit of a tangent but when I see the crescent "idiot scratch" on a high end 1911, I wish the owner had familiarized himself (made his mistakes) with a low end 1911 so he would have known how to avoid marring a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CryingWolf View Post
    Now Harley riders can be a bit snobbish, as I have had more Harley riders look straight at me and not wave or nod then any other group this includes the crotch rocket riders.
    That is generally seen as a sign of respect.

    Quote Originally Posted by CryingWolf View Post
    I bought a S&W M&P15A as my first AR15. I paid around $900 bucks for it.
    Most here would agree that you purchased a quality weapon at a good price.

    Quote Originally Posted by CryingWolf View Post
    I think the true value of a forum like this is not to tell people they should have bought a Colt. I think the true value comes from helping people make what they have work. Maybe there should be different sections for S&W owners or BM owners or even Oly owners?
    People here help greatly, but they don't sugar coat it. Sometimes the best answer is to buy a better gun. As for your other suggestions, there is already another forum like that and people come here to avoid it.

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    My first AR was a Eagle Arms kit gun I bought used from the local dealer at a good price.Up until that point I had no experience with the AR,much less what to look for.At the time no internet to read from either.Only semi auto weapon I had experience with was Remington 742's and Model 4's,Mini-14's,HK MP5's(as LEO),HK91,M14/M1A's and a tired old CMP IH M1 Grand.
    Around 1999 I decided I wanted a new 20" AR for high power.Went to local shop once again and eye balled what was on the shelf in a NM platform...left with a Armalite M15A2NM and loved it.
    So I'd have to say up until about 2007 my AR selection was based mainly on local availability and somewhat of a brand preference/experience as I have had several Armalites,to include AR10's since the first Eagle.Respectable service from the Armalite rifles as well as oustanding customer support caused me to build a somewhat brand preference in that regard.
    In 2007 I discovered this forum and spent a few weeks of reading.After reading all I could here in my spare time I drank the LMT coolaid and upgraded all my remaining Armalite M15's with LMT parts(I call them LarMaliTes).Wanting my first carbine thanks to this site I went in search for LMT 16" upper and Defender lower assy.Later added a couple LMT Defender lowers,BCM upper's and recently landed in the Noveske pool and its nice and cool.Been down hill every since.
    So yeah initially it was local availabilty,perty product and lack of knowledge in doing such shopping.In the end Ive kinda became part of the "tier one snobbery"....I still have my trusty old LarMaliTes.But my selection process has become much more tuned thanks to the fine folks and information provided here.
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    When I first decided to get an AR-15 I looked locally everybody had DPMS, RRA and OLYMPIC I knew colt would probable be the best quality wise but at the time they were still using different size pins and that was a big turn off for me. I tried to ask locally and what ever the dealer had on his rack was the best So I got fed up and did a lot of internet searching and finally found a copy of rob's chart and thats how I found out about LMT.

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