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"Real men have always needed to know what time it is so they are at the airfield on time, pumping rounds into savages at the right time, etc. Being able to see such in the dark while light weights were comfy in bed without using a light required luminous material." -Originally Posted by ramairthree
I see your point and it is a good one.
People must realize too that at least for some manufacturers the weapons sold to the military are of a different quality than those sold to the public.
I don't know about Colt in particular but I do know that the Remington 700 SPS Varmint I own is not as well made as a Marine Scout Sniper's M-40.
Last edited by Rumpelhardt; 01-14-13 at 10:06.
I work for nether. I believe people here when they say Colt is better quality wise than ether but I think it's more because as a company they value their name not because they have a contract to build rifles for the United States government..
Last edited by Rumpelhardt; 01-14-13 at 09:38.
I only ever owned 2 ARs. Always been an AK guy. Few years ago i got the itch for an AR. Basically i knew how they operate and that, just like with AKs, some are better then others but didnt really know which. Went to a gunshow and started asking vendors about their merchandise. Of course everyone had "only the best". I couldnt justify spending $1500+/- and one guy had what looked to be a good AR for $900. It was used but only because someone else had owned it prior. Condition was excellent. I bought it. Well it turned out to be a DD MV4. Later i sold it to fund a SBR AK. This summer i got the AR bug again and went looking for a bargain. Bought a used police Colt A3 for about $700. I bought it because of price but also i had by this time done some research.
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This sums up my feelings on the matter perfectly. If that makes me a snob or cod-scratcher, then I'll happily wear my label as I shoot my reliable guns free of any malfunctions. I'll also promise to be patient while the instructors put their heads together trying to keep the low end guns running for the duration of a two day class. They usually solve this problem with a "loaner" gun... On the bright side, the owners of these lower end guns usually understand the importance of, and get lots of practice on their transition drills.
Built/bought mine for Hunting, and Defense. I have owned it going into my 3rd year now. One of the best investments I have ever made. It a hybrid of sorts, where I bought different parts to make my own frakenrifle. I love the thing.
Being here I have learned even more. The school of hard knocks is expensive, and time consuming. Had I known about this place, I would have only changed a couple of things. Now that I read up on a lot of setups and items, I will be moving forward with a few more changes to solidify my purchase. I was very fortunate that most of what I bought was quality....but not all of it. Cant thank the group here enough for the information archived and current threads.
Buying used is an excellent option. The book the Millionaire Next Door goes into depth on this.
"Real men have always needed to know what time it is so they are at the airfield on time, pumping rounds into savages at the right time, etc. Being able to see such in the dark while light weights were comfy in bed without using a light required luminous material." -Originally Posted by ramairthree
Not being versed in AR, and having only owned one other, a jam-o-matic, many years ago, I started researching after I learned that the $900 BM was now $1600 at my local gun store. Really glad I found this site. This is my interpretation of what I have learned. For good or bad, Colt seems to be the benchmark that everything else ends up being compared to. My impression is that they set the standard for reliability. When I was getting into 1911's several years ago an armorer at Gunsite told me that in their experience, Colt and S&W ran more reliably than any other over the counter 1911, and just as good as the customs. I still have one of the S&W's I bought.
Researching AR's I again ran across comments from one of the shooting school armorers that said if you want an AR that you can count on, Colt was the best bet. I ended up buying a Colt 6920 with Magpul furniture. I don't know that I need more than one, but I do know I want the one I have to work right. Several years ago I sold most of my guns and have replaced them with custom or top end stuff like Freedom Arms, the 1911 is a Performance Center piece, and now the Colt. I would rather have a few dead solid guns than a bunch of lesser weapons. I bought the Colt on reputation.
Then you haven't been reading.... Colt does many things that confuse me. But they are the gold standard for a reason. Hell, I don't own or particularly feel the need for a Colt. But I use Colt small parts in almost every stripped lower I've built up.
There are other extremely high quality options, and nobody said there isn't. BCM, DD, Noveske, Centurion, LMT, and KAC all build great rifles and may build something closer to what you want than Colt.
Your point about your Remington is really mind boggling. It's like saying that a Ford Ranger isn't the same quality as a Ford F150 or whatever. It's a rifle built by the same company...the similarities end there and Remington never told you it was the same. Your SPS, is not the same rifle as an M40. But an 870P IS the same guns that police departments buy.
A Colt 6920 IS with the exception of auto-parts and barrel length the exact same as an M4. Same parts, same QC, and the same QA.
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