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    Quote Originally Posted by thopkins22 View Post
    Then you haven't been reading.... Colt does many things that confuse me. But they are the gold standard for a reason. Hell, I don't own or particularly feel the need for a Colt. But I use Colt small parts in almost every stripped lower I've built up.

    There are other extremely high quality options, and nobody said there isn't. BCM, DD, Noveske, Centurion, LMT, and KAC all build great rifles and may build something closer to what you want than Colt.

    Your point about your Remington is really mind boggling. It's like saying that a Ford Ranger isn't the same quality as a Ford F150 or whatever. It's a rifle built by the same company...the similarities end there and Remington never told you it was the same. Your SPS, is not the same rifle as an M40. But an 870P IS the same guns that police departments buy.

    A Colt 6920 IS with the exception of auto-parts and barrel length the exact same as an M4. Same parts, same QC, and the same QA.
    Thanks for reiterating my point.
    I wasn't saying civilian Colts were not as good. I was saying that they are as good because Colt cares about their good name not because of their government contract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpelhardt View Post
    Thanks for reiterating my point.
    I wasn't saying civilian Colts were not as good. I was saying that they are as good because Colt cares about their good name not because of their government contract.
    I interpreted you as saying that people here value Colt because of their name, not because Colt has the data to build military quality rifles. You're saying Colt continues to build those good rifles for us because they care about their brand. That may very well be the case, I tend to believe it's because it's actually cheaper for them to keep as much parts interchangeability/supply lines the same.

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    The Odyssey of Ignorance (it doesn't mean stupid)

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    My first AR was purchased last September. I got a S&W MP15 MOE OR. Then I found this site shortly after and discovered I don't own a Tier 1 gun. It doesn't bother me all that much, I'm not a Tier 1 shooter with Tier 1 requirements.

    I'm not likely to do anything to it that would require a T1 gun to survive. Anything that's likely to happen in my time on this earth will be do-able with what I've got. I'd like to take a class with it, and as long as I use some good brass ammo I think it would do very well.

    However, and on the other hand, the rifle that I will be building this year will have as nice of quality parts on the upper as I can justify. I'm grateful to all the experienced guys on this site and their willingness to share what they've learned. The building of the rifle isn't going to be difficult, but it's great to know where the problems will occur.

    Thanks much.
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    Why'd a buy a Windham?

    My purpose for the gun: Small caliber land/lease for coyotes, hogs and small/med deer. Also paper game at the range. I don't have use of my left arm. Traditional ranch/deer rifles are heavy and long (barrel and length of pull). Could not find in shorter carbine length (16-18"). I needed semi-auto loading.

    Why? It was available for a price I thought was a good value for what was given considering the market (pre-panic Dec '12). From my perspective as a first time AR15 buyer I didn't feel like I needed a Colt AR15 because that was "more than what I needed". I come from a 1911 background. I likened it to wanting a solid shooting Colt 1991 or Springfield GI or MilSpec model 1911 for $550-750 instead of buying a Colt full custom for $1500-1800. Least that was my perspective on buying an AR15 and what I thought I had weeded out in my research. When I asked gun guys for their opinions on a first AR15 I listened, and then brought that info home to check it out. I had the Sig M400 and S&W Sport at the top of my list. After hearing unsolicited input in favor of WW I decided to look at them. I admit it was their story about getting the band back together that did tug at me a bit. Considering what I saw looking at the gun vs the stats/specs I researched online including resources from this site, I felt pretty good buying a WW. So I did. I knew from reading that the gun was up to my standard for what I felt what was important for my purpose compared to what the Charts say about "milspec" and knowing my comfort level for building/maintaining and working on firearms.

    I did read M4 Chart and I researched the "milspec" features and why they were desirable. Considering my purpose I did not think those factors would be non-starters. The glaring non-milspec parts on the Windham - commercial buffer tube, carbine buffer, nonF FSB (albeit .040"+ FSP) and 1/9 twist barrel. (These last two things being something Colt has done in models at one time or another and discussed here). NonF FBS link HERE and HERE and Colt's 1/9 barrel -HERE

    Ultimately this is my first AR15 and from as much as I'm enjoying it, it won't be my last (pretending there are no gun-grabbers circling right now). After coming into the AR15 community I am able to better understand all that jargon and research that I mulled over for months prior to purchase. There IS a difference in understanding between being inside the window and standing outside. I realize many people here have been using AR15s for so long that you might have forgotten or might not have gone through the kind of learning curve that us newer folks are having to do in this huge market. (Did you even have an option that wasn't "milspec"? Since many of you got into them from military service) It is overwhelming for a new AR15 buyer. And I'm not even new to firearms. I grew up with rifles and Dad taking me hunting. It wasn't until college and dating that I got started on handguns and SD. Fast forward another 12 yrs. And it has only been the last few months and intentionally looking for a specific firearm to fit my function and requirements for a long gun that an AR15 model came into view.

    You guys asked for perspective on why new buyers are looking at X brand, well, there is one perspective. I certainly don't appreciate being called "ignorant". That is simply not the case. If your view is through professional/LE/Mil colored glasses and my view is from what I described to you above - do you see why there is a difference on how one could get to a different finish point?

    I was given these three links when I introed:

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=24397

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7009

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7376


    It was the last link that I especially found most helpful the first week at home with my new gun and immediately proceeded to apply the info. My post HERE

    So at this current point in time I have replaced the buffer tube and buffer like I said I would. I have also bought some new furniture to "make it mine" for fit, function and balance, as well as add my own aesthetics. I do have a couple specific items not listed. Still haven't decided to make it a build thread. Doubt anyone would care either way but I'm finding not having anyone to share this process with is stifling.

    Well, that's what I have to say. It's worth what you paid for it I guess. I won't feel bad about the roll mark on the side because I'm aware of the parts that are inside and I'm involved enough to maintain them. I know why I bought what I did. I intend on it being a very long, permanent relationship, unless it makes me hate it, which I hope is never.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shorts View Post
    Why'd a buy a Windham?

    My purpose for the gun: Small caliber land/lease for coyotes, hogs and small/med deer. Also paper game at the range. I don't have use of my left arm. Traditional ranch/deer rifles are heavy and long (barrel and length of pull). Could not find in shorter carbine length (16-18"). I needed semi-auto loading.
    given this, your BM will most likely be absolutely fine for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shorts View Post
    From my perspective as a first time AR15 buyer I didn't feel like I needed a Colt AR15 because that was "more than what I needed".
    I have never understood this. how is a colt 6920 "more than what I needed" verse a BM "m4" for example. They both are virtually identical in the sense 16 inch barrel, telescoping stock, flat top, etc. the devil is in the details of course and the quality of manufacturing, but given they were essentially the "same", what makes the colt "more than I need"?

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    Let me try this again. I feel I jumped the gun in my reply to 1859sharps and I want to fix it.


    given this, your Windham will most likely be absolutely fine for you.
    Exactly why I felt comfortable purchasing it.


    Quote Originally Posted by 1859sharps View Post
    I have never understood this. how is a colt 6920 "more than what I needed" verse a BM "m4" for example. They both are virtually identical in the sense 16 inch barrel, telescoping stock, flat top, etc. the devil is in the details of course and the quality of manufacturing, but given they were essentially the "same", what makes the colt "more than I need"?
    I would like to reference you to the sentence following that one. That was my perspective.

    I have seen the details on my WW. I will go to the store and if there's a Colt available I'll have a look to see it's details. I admit that I didn't look past the price tag. Just couldn't spend that much (psychologically, not so much financially). In anything I've never bought top of line things. I've always bought mid grade with a mix of good quality and value. That's how I approached this purchase. You mention they are essentially the same gun, which I thought so too, so why not get the mid-grade? I don't need a Colt, it was to much. I guess it was the name, reputation and aura is why I didn't buy a Colt. I felt it was "too much" for what I was doing with it. Maybe like buying a Ferrari to go to the grocery store.
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    This is a great thread and the input, as usual is sharp and helpful. I bought my first AR in November of last year. I am not a hunter but spend a fair amount of time at our local club shooting rifles at 50-100 yards. I enjoy shooting my 22 at 50 yards as much as my M1 at 100, the challenge for me is accuracy. After talking to other shooters at the range about their AR's I decided I "needed" one. I bought a Sig Sauer M400 (not well liked on this forum) and have been extremely happy with the performance of the rifle over the last 60 days and approximately 1000 rounds. I bought the M400 because I have had good luck with Sig handguns and it was recommended by others on the range. It is my only AR and likely to be the only one I will ever own, given the current economic climate and I am very pleased with my purchase. I appreciate the input this forum provides.

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    Look i have a Bushmaster A2 profile and a Windham m-4gery(MPC carbine) and i gotta tell you the people who keep claiming the Windhams are just the second coming of Bushmaster are pissing up the wrong tree trunk.

    The quality of the build and parts of the windham i have makes my bushmaster look like it was assembeled by elementary school children.

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    Well, seeing how this thread is still going, let me tell you my reasons.

    For me, i started getting into ARs in 2009. I've always loved the platform, as i grew up in the '80s. I played with GI Joes yo, so i've always had a thing for them. When the first AWB was put into place, i was still in high school. When that one ended, i was out of a job and very poor! My dad had traded for one in 2005, so i got a chance to handle and shoot one. It was a BM. Thinking i'd get that one soon, i didn't think about it. He wound up selling that.

    Four years later; had a good job, extra spending monies, and a need to fill the void of not ever having owned one (personally).

    I live in a very small town (less than 800 folk in the entire county). One day, i had a Deputy (younger than me) ask me why i haven't ever had one, to which i replied the same response as here. He told me i could "build" one. He told me about a great site on this subject matter, ARF.com! I know. I know. It was actually the only site anyone has ever mentioned (and no, i didn't ever get an account over there). Please forgive me. Soooo...with that said...

    Bought my first Spikes lower that March (Obama's first run) for a whopping $225+tax! LOL. Yes, yes i did. (also, i never finished that one, it just sits in the parts bin)

    I've since found this site (but it took me nearly two years after that convo), and have been a dedicated learner. Now i have more AR's than i could handle. My most favorite is my Noveske. I finished that one about two years later, as i was searching only for branded parts. (turns out, you ****ers don't like to part out those pieces very often)

    I personally couldn't ever afford a rifle straight up. So i either bought and built, or found someone willing to take payments. I don't feel as if i made a mistake buying these lower end models, because they are only for plinking/loaning, and it gave me the necessary confidence to tackle the others i have built. Boom. My "trust my life with" rifles are some of the finest names out there...and yes, i would trust my life with the Noveske i built. Only because i can/do read what others on here have said.

    I don't claim to know it all, and i don't claim to be all that experenced. I will however, claim that this site is by far the most informative and helpful in my endeavors. For that, i am truly greatful to be a member of this great community.
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