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    They have run good after I did the following. The issues I couldn't fix were the crappy aluminum YHM sights that came with them or the YHM rails that occasionally loosen up.

    1. Staked the bolt carrier key

    2. Replaced the extractor spring

    3. Staked the lower receiver extension

    4. Reamed the chamber

    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Zero View Post
    How have the Bushies held up?

    Reliable, or constant problems?

    What is the most recurring problem they have?

    Thanks.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Doogie View Post
    give thanks that you live in a country which allows you to do both!!! (Oh - and check THIS out..!!!)


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrvFU...e=channel_page
    dunking an AR in muddy Washington water- which only serves to lubricate the weapon, and firing less than 100 rounds, does absolutely nothing to prove, or disprove, the reliability of a weapon.

    and he did have a failure- one that would have left him dead had he been facing an armed threat. and the purpose of combat weapon test is to observe its performance in combat conditions, hence his dumping it in mud and firing rapidly. his weapon failed that test. you can believe his explaination if you want.

    we're talking about the difference between fightin guns and sport guns. sport guns can be either competition or just plinkers.

    fightin guns are a whole different ball of wax. whether you NEED a fightin gun or not- for defense, for work, for robbing banks, for fun, whatever- a fightin' gun is one that puts reliability OVER ALL ELSE. if you didn't purchase your weapon with that emphasis in mind- you're barking up the wrong tree.

    fightin' gun, in order of priority:
    1. Reliability
    2. accuracy
    3. durability
    4. cost

    competition gun:
    1. accuracy
    2. reliability
    3. durability
    4. cost

    plinking gun:
    1. cost
    2. accuracy
    3. reliability
    4. durability

    how can we expect to debate the merits, or lack thereof, of a particular weapon if we're approaching the question with different priorities in mind? chasing after the wind, people.

    let's get back to the original question, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    and he did have a failure- one that would have left him dead had he been facing an armed threat. and the purpose of combat weapon test is to observe its performance in combat conditions, hence his dumping it in mud and firing rapidly. his weapon failed that test. you can believe his explaination if you want.
    I like to give people a benefit of doubt. He may have a reason to lie but I didn't see it and I did see him dump another mag after that. I reload and it wouldn't be hard to leave a .223 round a little long, to jam a magazine. I say even the Colt user would be just a dead. Goes to show the importance of good mags and spec ammo.

    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    we're talking about the difference between fightin guns and sport guns. sport guns can be either competition or just plinkers.

    fightin guns are a whole different ball of wax. whether you NEED a fightin gun or not- for defense, for work, for robbing banks, for fun, whatever- a fightin' gun is one that puts reliability OVER ALL ELSE. if you didn't purchase your weapon with that emphasis in mind- you're barking up the wrong tree.

    fightin' gun, in order of priority:
    1. Reliability
    2. accuracy
    3. durability
    4. cost

    competition gun:
    1. accuracy
    2. reliability
    3. durability
    4. cost

    plinking gun:
    1. cost
    2. accuracy
    3. reliability
    4. durability

    how can we expect to debate the merits, or lack thereof, of a particular weapon if we're approaching the question with different priorities in mind? chasing after the wind, people.

    let's get back to the original question, please.
    I would agree with pointing out "the chart" and get a Colt people if the number one reason is "I got it for self defense" (Home or Family etc). I would even include the SHTF reasoning with that group. Shoot if my primary reason is for self defense and SHTF I am running out and buy a Colt. Battle tested for sure.

    I bought my M&P15A because I wanted an AR. I think they look cool, and it brought back memories from my range times in the AF. I wanted something I could have fun with at the range and maybe do the smack down on some pdogs and yotes someday. Self defense and SHTF really didn't enter in my mind. Shoot I was more worried about an AWB then using it in defense of my home. With what I have in place for the protection of my family and me if I am reaching for the AR then something has gone horribly wrong and I am dead already.
    Last edited by CryingWolf; 07-02-09 at 19:01.

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    I noticed that people on this thread are stuck on brand x, y, or z and havent really covered the fact that if you get a lower tier carbine, you can upgrade certain parts when you get the money. I started with a stock m&p15a that I paid 900 for plus tax. It came with the LMT bolt carrier group and was staked nicely. The bolt, however, even though it was machined like other LMT bolts I have seen with the undercut/recess right behind the lugs, did not have an mp marking on it.

    My gut tells me that it still was tested because LMT is a reputable company, but I threw in a BCM mp tested bolt anyways and now have the LMT as my backup. I put a geissele SSA in there as well as magpul furniture. I will finish it off with an H2 buffer and call it a day. It has 1200 rounds through it with one ammo related failure (wolf). I would assume my chamber is 5.56 due to the fact that intense heat (300 rounds of 5.56 in a half hour) has not cause stuck cases

    The only serious downside to my current setup is the barrel being 4140. The 1/9 was my preffered twist. My next gun, however, will most likely be a top tier carbine with all the bells and whistles from the factory. That being said, I do not regret getting my smith, as I have learned a whole lot about the ar-15 platform by coming to this site and others and doing my homework and now I have a better idea of what I want/like in a carbine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    I'm interested to hear short stories of why people chose to buy lesser-quality weapons- bush, DPMS, oly, RRA, etc..

    there's a lot of people come around and post something to the effect of "i bought this DPMS last month, signed up here, and learned that it's not the greatest of choices, so i'm _________ (getting rid of it, fixing it up, etc)..."

    this isn't at all a ripfest on you or your weapon. i'm just interested to know WHY you chose the weapon that you did, before you knew- what research did you do? how available was information? did you have problems finding information? did you get recommendations from people? what web-sources did you investigate? books that you read? etc.

    back when i first started out in the AR world, information was nill. there were a few books out, but they focused on function, shooting, cleaning, stripping, etc- there wasn't really anything out with great technical information. furthermore, there wasn't 1/20th of the selection to chose from- more often than not, if you couldn't afford/could find colt parts, you were left with no-name gunshow parts or Quality Parts Inc (bushmaster) parts- which were actually, next to colt, the only manufacturer with a name that put any degree of quality control into their processes. My first build was a ban-compliant attempt at a carbine, and it was about 50% bushmaster, with a few colt parts and the rest were unknown origin. if i were to have purchased a complete gun, it would have been an Armalite or Bushmaster, I'm sure. fortunately, i did get a little inside information from a gunsmith i'd met at a gun show, and assembled something pretty decent. i'm just curious as to how much has changed, what the word is on the streetz, etc. so share your story, por favor.
    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    dunking an AR in muddy Washington water- which only serves to lubricate the weapon, and firing less than 100 rounds, does absolutely nothing to prove, or disprove, the reliability of a weapon.

    and he did have a failure- one that would have left him dead had he been facing an armed threat. and the purpose of combat weapon test is to observe its performance in combat conditions, hence his dumping it in mud and firing rapidly. his weapon failed that test. you can believe his explaination if you want.

    we're talking about the difference between fightin guns and sport guns. sport guns can be either competition or just plinkers.

    fightin guns are a whole different ball of wax. whether you NEED a fightin gun or not- for defense, for work, for robbing banks, for fun, whatever- a fightin' gun is one that puts reliability OVER ALL ELSE. if you didn't purchase your weapon with that emphasis in mind- you're barking up the wrong tree.

    fightin' gun, in order of priority:
    1. Reliability
    2. accuracy
    3. durability
    4. cost

    competition gun:
    1. accuracy
    2. reliability
    3. durability
    4. cost

    plinking gun:
    1. cost
    2. accuracy
    3. reliability
    4. durability

    how can we expect to debate the merits, or lack thereof, of a particular weapon if we're approaching the question with different priorities in mind? chasing after the wind, people.

    let's get back to the original question, please
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    I'm just wondering how we got off topic. Where did it say in your original post that we were talking about "fighting weapons"?

    As i posted already, people buy off brands for many reasons. Not everyone needs the latest and greatest to go to the range and shoot 50-100 rounds every month. Not everyone intends to defend life and limb with their AR. Some prefer to buy a "lesser" AR and 1k rounds of ammo for the same price as a colt lmt etc. And heck, some will make the 1k rounds of ammo last for a year or more too. It just comes down to what is most important to the buyer.

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    I noticed that people on this thread are stuck on brand x, y, or z and havent really covered the fact that if you get a lower tier carbine, you can upgrade certain parts when you get the money.

    I am a poor college student and money is very tight for me, especially considering my dad forces me to save a good part of every paycheck. So I decided to get into the ar15 game with a stock m&p15a that I paid 900 for plus tax. I chose the m&p because it was better than many of the others as far as what it came standard with, and although it is not quite a colt, it saved me some coin to spend on ammo and such at the time. It came with the LMT bolt carrier group and was staked nicely. The bolt, however, even though it was machined like other LMT bolts I have seen with the undercut/recess right behind the lugs, did not have an mp marking on it.

    My gut tells me that it still was tested because LMT is a reputable company, but I threw in a BCM mp tested bolt anyways and now have the LMT as my backup. I put a geissele SSA in there as well as magpul furniture. I will finish it off with an H2 buffer and call it a day. It has 1200 rounds through it with one ammo related failure (wolf). I would assume my chamber is 5.56 due to the fact that intense heat (300 rounds of 5.56 in a half hour) has not cause stuck cases

    The only serious downside to my current setup is the barrel being 4140. The 1/9 was my preffered twist. My next gun, however, will most likely be a top tier carbine with all the bells and whistles from the factory. That being said, I do not regret getting my smith, as I have learned a whole lot about the ar-15 platform by coming to this site and others and doing my homework and now I have a better idea of what I want/like in a carbine.

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    because this thread was never intended to debate quality. as i said previously, for the purposes of this thread- lesser quality guns are to be considered lesser quality. if you feel like your lesser quality gun isn't, in fact, lesser quality, don't post.. because all you're (i'm using "you" and "you're" in a general sense) going to do is start more arguing.
    Last edited by bkb0000; 07-02-09 at 19:19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    because this thread was never intended to debate quality. as i said previously, for the purposes of this thread- lesser quality guns are to be considered lesser quality. if you feel like your lesser quality gun isn't, in fact, lesser quality, don't post.. because all you're (i'm using "you" and "you're" in a general sense) going to do is start more arguing.
    touche

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyboy1788 View Post
    I noticed that people on this thread are stuck on brand x, y, or z and havent really covered the fact that if you get a lower tier carbine, you can upgrade certain parts when you get the money.
    As previously stated, it's not the subject of the thread.

    It's a well known fact that the knowledge based threads will get your brand X AR up to speed on reliability if it is to the right of the chart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    because this thread was never intended to debate quality. as i said previously, for the purposes of this thread- lesser quality guns are to be considered lesser quality. if you feel like your lesser quality gun isn't, in fact, lesser quality, don't post.. because all you're (i'm using "you" and "you're" in a general sense) going to do is start more arguing.

    Maybe i'm just missing the boat - but i don't think i was arguing that my lesser quaility AR's are just as good as a top tier AR. However, my point was that you never stated "fighting weapon". Not everyone buys an AR to be a fighting weapon. I am not trying to start an argument - i'm just stating why I / others might buy a lesser AR - like your thread question asked.

    I bought my "lesser" quality AR's because they cost less. Simple as that. I dont need a Colt, LMT, Noveske, etc to take my son (14) to the range and let him put 100 rnds down range. His Stag does just fine for that.

    I own 2 colts - 6920 and 6933 and a BCM middy. Those would be my go to guns if the shtf. But for general plinking, a Stag, bushmaster, RRA, etc is good enough.

    Again, to answer your question, not everyone needs a top tier weapon for plinking. If it was their only AR, i'd highly suggest they spend the few hundred dollars more and get a top tier. However, if they already have their basics covered, a lower tier AR isn't a problem for just plinking.

    That is why i buy what i buy.

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