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    Gentlemen, I would strongly recommend that a person NOT mix brass and steel case ammo during a shooting session. Steel case ammo allows more chamber fouling due to less case obturation upon firing. This fouling usually is approx. midway in the chamber and can cause brass case ammo to lock up upon firing obturation and cause a fte jam.
    As far as shooting steel case ammo out of an AR platform rifle; If your weapon runs OK on it, drive on. If your AR platform rifle doesn't, then remember that the Stoner system was designed around brass case ammunition and that the dynamics of the brass case are part of the weapons operating system.
    It's amazing to me that the AR system can operate on steel case ammo at all. But it does, for the most part, and steel case ammo is better as far as expense goes.
    Excess wear and tear on an AR with steel case ammo? I have not seen it. Dirtier? Maybe, but a DI guns is dirty anyhow..clean it.
    Properly broken in, quality weapon, good mags, and good ammo. Thats all it takes. Good luck and drive on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve in PA View Post
    "Wolf is junk", use something else.
    Indeed.

    There should be no question as to what the problem is. Stuck cases with wolf is a common problem when firing high volume.

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    This has happened to me as well. Shooting on a hot day with wolf, I ran a few mags through the gun then ran one fast dropped the bolt on a fresh mag let it sit for a minute ,the gun will go off but no case comes out.

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    My personal experience is that the red primer sealant builds up very fast under the extractor when using Wolf MC.

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    Your extractor pawls were cruded up or your spring finally went, Id bet its the first one though
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    Thanks guys.

    One thing I forgot to add was that when we finally ejected the last casing, the lip was destroyed from the extractor. I have yet to take it apart as I am in the middle of another project today, but from what I have read on here I am thinking it was the ammo.

    Also I forgot to mention that it was impossible to pull the charging handle on the first two until we let the gun cool down a bit. On the last it was possible to pull it but difficult. then it was easy (assuming this is because we ripped started to damage the lip on the round).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmcmanus View Post
    Thanks guys.

    One thing I forgot to add was that when we finally ejected the last casing, the lip was destroyed from the extractor. I have yet to take it apart as I am in the middle of another project today, but from what I have read on here I am thinking it was the ammo.

    Also I forgot to mention that it was impossible to pull the charging handle on the first two until we let the gun cool down a bit. On the last it was possible to pull it but difficult. then it was easy (assuming this is because we ripped started to damage the lip on the round).

    I think the problem is that you simply have a very dirty chamber from the Wolf ammo.

    As someone mentioned earlier, the Wolf steel casing is not as flexible as brass, and doesn't expand/seal as well when you fire it. You can get a lot of crap blowing into the chamber. Different guns behave differently when this happens--some are not affected and some don't work.

    It also sounds like your extractor/extractor spring are fine. I 'm sure the extractor could use a good cleaning though.

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    I have zero experience with the S&W. I'm sure that Grant or someone else may be able to chime in here. My feeling on this is that your chamber is tight. Have you thought about contacting S&W customer service and explaining the issue to them to see what they say?

    Quote Originally Posted by dmcmanus View Post
    Thanks guys.

    One thing I forgot to add was that when we finally ejected the last casing, the lip was destroyed from the extractor. I have yet to take it apart as I am in the middle of another project today, but from what I have read on here I am thinking it was the ammo.

    Also I forgot to mention that it was impossible to pull the charging handle on the first two until we let the gun cool down a bit. On the last it was possible to pull it but difficult. then it was easy (assuming this is because we ripped started to damage the lip on the round).



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    I have been reluctant only because when I returned my Apple computer back in 2005 it took over 6 months for me to get it back... But I probably should at least contact them, I will do that in the morning.

    Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I have zero experience with the S&W. I'm sure that Grant or someone else may be able to chime in here. My feeling on this is that your chamber is tight. Have you thought about contacting S&W customer service and explaining the issue to them to see what they say?

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    the moment you tell them you were using wolf the conversation will be over, you realize..

    i suggest either lying and telling them it was happening with xm193, or just getting the chamber reamed on your own dime. since i'm a devout deontologist, i'd go with the latter..

    your weapon should be versitile enough to fire wolf. wolf does "suck"- it's weak, dirty, smells really bad, steel cased and generally bi-metal. but if your gun won't run it, there's something less-desirable about your gun, and it's probably the chamber. while a slightly tight chamber may run brass "just fine," it's an indicator that the weapon has a weak point that may manifest at some critical time... like when you're surrounded by zombies and already have 1000 rounds through your weapon for the day... that tight chamber's a gunna bite you in the ass. or was that a zombie?

    in my opinion.

    you know what they say about opinions, right?

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