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    Betcha use USGI action springs, too...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harv
    Never had much use for them... The Stock 3 rings always worked well.

    If some one gave me a few for free .. but for me to pay for them.... Homie don't think so....
    Homie, you're cheap!
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    Submariner,
    You make your own gas rings don't you.
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    No, I buy them like everyone else. Just because something costs more doesn't necessarily mean it is better. I learned how to tell when the rings need to be replaced in Dean Caputo's class and follow his counsel. He recommends standard gas rings. He also thinks the standard Colt action spring is sufficient. (Some here think it's "cheap.") The fifty Colt Commandos he cares for in his department even use standard weight carbine buffers.
    "The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts." Justice Robert Jackson, WV St. Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harv
    Never had much use for them... The Stock 3 rings always worked well.

    If some one gave me a few for free .. but for me to pay for them.... Homie don't think so....
    Just as an FYI, they are the same price as standard gas rings.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Submariner
    No, I buy them like everyone else. Just because something costs more doesn't necessarily mean it is better. I learned how to tell when the rings need to be replaced in Dean Caputo's class and follow his counsel. He recommends standard gas rings. He also thinks the standard Colt action spring is sufficient. The fifty Colt Commandos he cares for in his department even use standard weight carbine buffers.
    They are the same price or cheaper, so your incorrect in your ASSumption.

    There are lots of things that are "sufficient", but who wants that? If we did, we would all be running Model 1 AR's.



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    Did you stop reading after the first sentence? His department seems to think Colt Commandos with standard buffers, Colt action springs and gas rings are sufficient for their needs. They don't use model 1 products. They also don't see the need for H, H2, H3, 9mm buffers, CS action springs or McFarland gas rings. People other tham me asked these questions in class (except for the CS spring issue which I asked in class.) Why? He said they tested these things and found out what worked made those carbines run best.
    "The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts." Justice Robert Jackson, WV St. Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aubrey
    So what material is the McFarland ring made from?

    Sorry, missed your question. They are made out of 300 series, heat treated SS.

    Standard gas rings are made out of stamped sheet metal.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Submariner
    Did you stop reading after the first sentence? His department seems to think Colt Commandos with standard buffers, Colt action springs and gas rings are sufficient for their needs. They don't use model 1 products. They also don't see the need for H, H2, H3, 9mm buffers, CS action springs or McFarland gas rings. People other tham me asked these questions in class (except for the CS spring issue which I asked in class.) Why? He said they tested these things and found out what worked made those carbines run best.

    That's funny, as Colt Commandos come from the factory with H2 buffers (if I remember correctly). Interesting that they removed that buffer and put a lighter one in.

    As far as PD's go, they generally barely have any money to even buy the weapons, let alone upgrade springs and such.

    I have been talking to Dean the last couple days and will ask him why they switched from the FACTORY INSTALLED buffer to the lighter one and IF they have ever tested ISMI buffer springs. I imagine they have not and were most likely looking at some lower grade CS springs (if at all).


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    Gas rings? Oh you guys must still be using DI uppers. Gotcha.

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    Grant,

    With respect to CS springs, the claimed benefits are pretty well understood. Then it's up to a user to decide whether or not these claimed benefits are truly beneficial for their application and whether or not to pay the added premium.

    Having said that, what's the benefit to the McFarland gas ring? I understand the design differences, continuous one piece vs three pieces, but what is the benefit? Better gas seal? Longer term relaibility?

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