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    Roadking,

    Here's my recommendation. Tell your friend about the site and have him join up. Explain to him the rules of the road and the purpose of M4C. I would also tell you to encourage him to think outside of the box. There are other options out there. I believe that with the market making some headway one could build a carbine for about $975.00 which would give you a quality no BS 5.56 barrel and a good BCG.

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    Why is he stuck with only these two choices?

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    He only wants one of the 2 name brands. and he doesnt want to build one.

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    Roadking,

    Since he is your friend you should encourage him to open his mind a little more to other options. When I say "build" you realize that we are talking about dropping an upper onto a lower, pushing in some pins and slapping in the BCG and handguards, right? Personally, I think I would respectfully "bow out" and let him make his own decision on the matter. My guess is that if he buys either one and has problems or is unhappy he won't let you forget about it.

    I still encourage you to show him this site and convince him to make an informed choice.



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    For the money he'd put into either... DDXV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Roadking,

    Here's my recommendation. Tell your friend about the site and have him join up. Explain to him the rules of the road and the purpose of M4C. I would also tell you to encourage him to think outside of the box. There are other options out there. I believe that with the market making some headway one could build a carbine for about $975.00 which would give you a quality no BS 5.56 barrel and a good BCG.

    You can't make a truly informed decision if you aren't truly informed.
    Well said Iraqgunz. You can further point him to the chart, have him read all three pages and hopefully, he will become self aware. If limited to ONLY those choices, go with the Smith. Sounds like your friend needs to proceed with more of an open mind and perform some research, disregarding the majority of opinions (which are based on personal bias instead of fact) he has "heard" about the AR.
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    Yes, if it is really between those two brands, Smith wins hands down -- for better attention to detail as to reliability-related construction; staking, gas orifice, etc.

    Still, at this relative price point, I would purchase a Daniel Defense XV.

    The DDXV is likely the BEST value rifle available at the moment: Compliant with the TDP and very affordable. I encouraged my civilian business partner to purchase one and it came in yesterday -- and this rifle is perfectly assembled with exceptional attention to reliability details. It is practically a Colt -- just missing the rollmark and price tag. I developed a spread sheet for purchasing TDP compliant parts from various vendors for a build -- and the price difference was under $100 for all the parts (not including shipping costs), and the going price for a DDXV.

    Grant also has M4C member pricing for DDXVs at G&R Tactical.

    There really isn't a question, IMHO. If one could purchase a Colt and a Bushy for the same price -- who would consider the Bushy?

    Slightly OT -- I had an outstanding interaction with John Holland at Daniel Defense yesterday. I was looking to exchange a DD product for work, and the customer service was exceptional.

    Friends don't let friends by Bushmasters when S&Ws and DDs are available. If Bushies are all we got -- we'll find a way to make 'em work!
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    I'm going to play devil's advocate a bit here....

    Quote Originally Posted by ROADKING View Post
    He only wants one of the 2 name brands. and he doesnt want to build one.
    Just tell him to buy whichever one is cheaper or has cooler accessories. I don't think it will matter for him. Sounds to me like the kind of guy who'll be happy with whatever he gets.

    If he really had a vested interest in finding the "better" one, he'd try a little harder than asking one friend to recommend one of rifles based solely on the name brands.



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    I'll offer my two cents.

    Since your friend is set on either the Bushmaster or the Smith and Wesson, I would vote for the Smith..

    I carry a Bushmaster (Department Issued) as a patrol rifle. During my carbine class it went belly up due to the gas key coming loose. The gas key wasn't staked. The replacement one isn't staked either. Although, this is a do it yourself project, I won't because i don't own the rifle. I am, however, building a patrol rifle.

    According to the chart that everyone is talking about, it looks like the Smith does a few more thing to their rifles than waht Bushmaster does, including staking the gas key. http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...jFwPrgTA&hl=en

    I don't have any experience with Bushmaster customer service, but I have heard good things about the customer service at Smith and Wesson.

    Granted, there are better options out there for your friend. But, if this is what he has narrowed his choices down to, then I would have to say Smith and Wesson. Although, the Colt LE6920 has been coming down in price. I am tempted to abandon my build and just buy one of those.

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    I don't think your friend would be disappointed with the S&W. I just picked up my 2nd, a MP15X, my first was the MP15T which had no issues and was bolt gun accurate.

    I have owned in the past a Colt and Stag arms. No problems with either but the M&P is a better deal IMHO. Add the Troy rail and flip up sights to the Colt and you are about $500 more than I paid for the MP15X ( $912 ).

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