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    See below. Should answer most of your questions. As has been demonstrated here several times in the past. For a little more than what one pays for a BM, one could get a better mousetrap.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigretic View Post
    At no time did I make a claim that BM makes THE "best barrel's".YOU stated I said that and I never did.I said "some of the best" and you quoted several mfg's that were inferior.That was just jumping on the "I hate BM bandwagon" Again, what criteria are using to say that they are some of the best? They are average as far as I can see.

    I have a 6920 and I never said that the BM was an equal to that.
    My point is a BM is FAR from a POS. Define POS?

    AGAIN...is BM TDP?NO There are a few guns out there that aren't TDP yet they were built correctly using quality parts and they work. That is what's known as a clue.

    Will a BM fail you?maybe. It absolutely will fail you at some point if you do not fix the basics such as the staking. And depending on ammo you will want that chamber reamed.

    Will a Colt/LMT/Noveske fail?Maybe. Anything can fail that is made by man or machine. The rates of failure and what type of failure are what's important.

    Is a BM likely to fail before the big 3...Maybe. Generally, yes it will.

    That's the real issue isn't it? The real issue is why they don't strive to be as good as the others when they clearly have the ability to do so.

    At no time did I say a BM was as good as the BIG 3..But it is far from junk.
    When I said "flame on"...that's what you do when you hear the word "Bushmaster".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    See below. Should answer most of your questions. As has been demonstrated here several times in the past. For a little more than what one pays for a BM, one could get a better mousetrap.
    DEFINE POS: means piece of shit ,duh!!!!Just kidding!BM IS WHAT IT IS!TRY not to compare it to the Big 3.BM is the most sold AR.Bottom line.My BM was built correctly using quality parts(What does that MP on my barrel mean?Hmmmm?)
    Bottom line...what you say will not stop people from buying stuff that works.
    But why should they?

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    A POS to me is a weapon that requires me to have to tweak it to make it work properly or one where the manufacturer cut corners to make a sale. Someone else may have a different opinion.

    No idea how you arrived at the conclusion that BM is the "most sold" AR and it really doesn't matter. Alot of people especially in the last few months have purchased AR's without even knowing how the weapon functions because they were afraid of a ban.

    So your Bushmaster had a properly staked bolt carrier key, lower receiver extension, and correct extractor spring assy.?

    The MP on your barrel actually means NOTHING since it is common knowledge that they only batch test their barrels and bolts. Maybe yours was tested, maybe not.

    Of course it will work if it sits in the safe and is never fired. Or if you only fire a few hundred rounds a year.

    I could care less if you buy one BM or 20. I would also care less if your carbine works or not. If you are happy with it then by all means have a nice day. However, IMHO it makes little fiscal sense to buy a weapon that needs to be worked on out of the box in order to be reliable. I will freely admit that I am a NAZI when it comes to weapons and the associated gear. I don't buy crap and I don't buy "just plinkers".


    Quote Originally Posted by bigretic View Post
    DEFINE POS: means piece of shit ,duh!!!!Just kidding!BM IS WHAT IT IS!TRY not to compare it to the Big 3.BM is the most sold AR.Bottom line.My BM was built correctly using quality parts(What does that MP on my barrel mean?Hmmmm?)
    Bottom line...what you say will not stop people from buying stuff that works.
    But why should they?



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    Quote Originally Posted by bigretic View Post
    At no time did I make a claim that BM makes THE "best barrel's".YOU stated I said that and I never did.I said "some of the best" and you quoted several mfg's that were inferior.That was just jumping on the "I hate BM bandwagon"
    ok you said "one of the best" not "the best". if you want to split hairs that's fine, but either way you're still wrong. they don't make some of the best barrels.


    yeah i listed some inferior manufacturers who BM is probably better than...but i also listed some manufactures who make barrels that are worlds better than BM

    i'm not jumping on any bandwagon. i made up MY OWN MIND about bushmaster a long time ago, before i was even a member of this site.

    i still have a bushmaster factory complete lower. if i was on some sort of bandwagon you'd think i would have ditched it


    Quote Originally Posted by bigretic View Post
    When I said "flame on"...that's what you do when you hear the word "Bushmaster".

    you already started off on the defensive before anyone had responded to your comments. the above comment just proves it.

    you just misinterpreted other's responses to fall in line with your expectations.

    i didn't flame anyone. if you consider what i said flaming, you really need to grow some thicker skin. in fact i agreed with much of what you said.

    relax a little. don't be so sensitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parabellum9x19mm View Post
    ok you said "one of the best" not "the best". if you want to split hairs that's fine, but either way you're still wrong. they don't make some of the best barrels.


    yeah i listed some inferior manufacturers who BM is probably better than...but i also listed some manufactures who make barrels that are worlds better than BM

    i'm not jumping on any bandwagon. i made up MY OWN MIND about bushmaster a long time ago, before i was even a member of this site.

    i still have a bushmaster factory complete lower. if i was on some sort of bandwagon you'd think i would have ditched it





    you already started off on the defensive before anyone had responded to your comments. the above comment just proves it.

    you just misinterpreted other's responses to fall in line with your expectations.

    i didn't flame anyone. if you consider what i said flaming, you really need to grow some thicker skin. in fact i agreed with much of what you said.

    relax a little. don't be so sensitive.
    I have read other posts,I know what regulars on this site think about BM.I'm not defensive,I prefer the term "prepared".I respect all of the regulars on this,I really do.IRAQ...he is a guy w/ stones.I respect him.And you too Para.I just think everyone comes down hard on BM.It works for me.Like I said before,I have a 6920 w/ an ACOG sitting on top(ashamed to say I have not shot it yet)A BM may not be up to your standings,but don't frown upon a guy who has one that works.

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    For shooting on a square range BM is just fine. For two way ranges where most folks will never be reconsider your options. Our agency experienced a 100% failure rate on all 25 of the SRT guns due to the gas key staking issue they refuse to fix. The patrol guns have experienced the same issues but at a slower rate due to an easier course of fire.

    BM batch tests parts. Whats does that "MP" mean on the barrel, it means that the barrel in question was one of a group that a few random samples were tested out of. Colt, LMT, BCM individually test each part.

    Round counts are good but don't say much unless there's a course of fire that goes with it. Heat kill parts more then just about anything else. High round counts over a short period of time even on semi auto can cause failures quickly due to the subsequent heat. That is one of the major reasons that hobby guns like BM and DPMS don't make it through a high round count class like Pat's.

    Sure you can fix the issues, but they should not be there to begin with. The AR's a proven reliable system, and it's not tough to build a quality gun, it just about the price point.

    Rob's chart and the related documentation is one of the best reference tools going for the AR. But I could take all the best parts listed and throw together a crap rifle. I've seen it enough times with folks that don't know what they are doing or have the right tools. My point here is it takes more then just the right parts to build a good firearm and some company's products need to remain on the square, one way range.

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    5 pages? really? wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigretic View Post
    I have read other posts,I know what regulars on this site think about BM.I'm not defensive,I prefer the term "prepared".I respect all of the regulars on this,I really do.IRAQ...he is a guy w/ stones.I respect him.And you too Para.I just think everyone comes down hard on BM.It works for me.Like I said before,I have a 6920 w/ an ACOG sitting on top(ashamed to say I have not shot it yet)A BM may not be up to your standings,but don't frown upon a guy who has one that works.
    i'd never look down on anyone because of what weapon they chose to use. its just too often people have inferiority complexes about a weapon and they go overboard trying to defend their purchase decisions (usually they're just trying to defend it to themselves).

    like you said, you don't see your BM as an equal to your 6920, so we're on the same page.


    i agreed with much of what you said before, it was just the barrel statement i disagreed with for the most part.

    honestly, i'm not even sure why we were arguing to begin with. i think it was largely a misunderstanding on both sides

    as far as "respect", i shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Iraqgunz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parabellum9x19mm View Post
    i'd never look down on anyone because of what weapon they chose to use. its just too often people have inferiority complexes about a weapon and they go overboard trying to defend their purchase decisions (usually they're just trying to defend it to themselves).

    like you said, you don't see your BM as an equal to your 6920, so we're on the same page.


    i agreed with much of what you said before, it was just the barrel statement i disagreed with for the most part.

    honestly, i'm not even sure why we were arguing to begin with. i think it was largely a misunderstanding on both sides

    as far as "respect", i shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Iraqgunz
    We are on the same page....It's like knives ...I own Busse ,Strider.....and Cold Steel.Is CS the same as Busse/Strider....no...but it's not junk (some...lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinman44 View Post
    5 pages? really? wow.
    BM/OLY/RRA/Stag owners are like the Borg on Star Trek, "Resistance is Futile" They will defend their choice to the bitter end. God know why.
    For God and the soldier we adore, In time of danger, not before! The danger passed, and all things righted, God is forgotten and the soldier slighted." - Rudyard Kipling

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