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    I just changed theathers this week. Went from Iraq who had allot of EOTechs on M4s to Afghanistan where the majority of optics seen so far have been M68s (M2/M4) and ACOGs. Most in both theathers seen in the last month have the GripPod VFG. Few run around with only a BUIS to the oppossite end with one M4 that had something bolted to every rail. Seen very few M16A4s but 1 out of 3 rifles is a M16A2 still. Some have the rails and others just a gooseneck with a M68. Seen some French troops with their FAMAS and half of them have a civilian scope attached to the carrying handle also.

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    Comp M4 not M2

    The issue red dot sight is the Comp M4. Everything else is as stated. There may be some leeway for equipment if you have enough pull with the CO and a big budget.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    There is a standard piece of equipment used for all of these. A quick rundown of the main stuff follows:

    The Knights Armament RAS is the standard handguard used on the M4 and M16A2/A3/A4.

    The standard BUIS is the Matech.

    The standard foregrip is the Knights Armament vertical grip.

    The standard optics are the Aimpoint M2 (M68), TA31F ACOG, and TA31RCO ACOG.

    In special operations command, there are some different pieces of gear that are standard on the M4A1.

    The Knights Armament RIS is used.

    The standard optics are the TA01NSN ACOG, the TA01ECOS ACOG.

    The Knights 300m BUIS is the standard rear sight instead of the Matech.


    You will find other pieces of gear being used. These would come from commercial sources and are not a standardized item.

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    Our guys still have a ton of Comp M2's because the BCT's were equipped with them a LONG time ago. The Comp M4s were issued in smaller numbers when they came out because of that. There are still some Comp Ms around, because I can't get any one to dispose of them.

    They don't needed them as they have foot lockers full of unused optics(and lights), but that's a differant story. Unlike the Comp M, the CompM2s are just fine.

    Based on when your units was equipped and what variation of the menus you are on you may end up with slightly differant mixs of gear, then like units.
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    Kind of a related question, but do any of the guys get to keep this stuff after they return home? I can see if it was something that they themselves bought and installed, but most likely not issued accessories. Am I correct?

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    Ive photos of SEALs using CASVs. Curious if other units, SF I guess... Use any other type of rail system? DD Omegas perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bread is People View Post
    Kind of a related question, but do any of the guys get to keep this stuff after they return home? I can see if it was something that they themselves bought and installed, but most likely not issued accessories. Am I correct?
    Correct. Issued high dollar stuff like optics go on the unit property book. Rails, etc. don't, but I think in most cases, it would be very noticeable if a rail decides to "walk". We keep anything we buy.
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    [QUOTE=Originally Posted by Bread is People
    Kind of a related question, but do any of the guys get to keep this stuff after they return home? I can see if it was something that they themselves bought and installed, but most likely not issued accessories. Am I correct??[/QUOTE]

    I don't want to advocate fraud, waste, and abuse but there are ways to keep some of the items that you deploy with. I pretty sure that there have been combat loses that aren't loses. You can also order some of the items while in theater. They tend not to make it to the property book. Hell there have been instances where soldiers have opened connexes full of gear that a unit two or more rotations before them ordered. When I was deployed we requested and received maintenance help of the Brigade Combat team that was in our AO. They were repairing IA HUMMVs for us so we could keep Iraqi patrols on the street (thereby decreasing the amount of coalition{sic. American} patrols). The caveat for this assistance was that they would use our purchasing code (APC) to order parts. I was on a Military Transition Team and we had the second highest priority for support in Iraq (only SpecOps had a higher priority). This meant that what ever we ordered tended to arrive a whole hell of alot faster than the regular units supplies. Well our motor sergeant was doing some reconciliation and he noticed that the BCT units were ordering tank engines (at over$1,000,000 a pop) and all sorts of parts other than HUMMV parts. We also had problems at the Life SUpport Area (LSA). Other units were using our APC there also. When they were hijacking our APC they were stealing our supplies before we could pick them up. One time we ordered 12 Benchmade knives (one for each team member). We received one knife and yes the packing slip clearly read 12. Short answer to your question is yes units and soldiers in units deployed to the CZ can and sometimes do keep all of that high dollar gear and it isn't on anyone's books. I'm not saying that this is right but it does happen.
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    Update..

    Seems that several units are issuing the 3x Magnifier with the M68. Seen on both M16s and M4s lately.

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