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    Do I really need an optic?

    Well, to sum it up, I can't afford to buy a quality optic for my carbine setup. I'd like something in the future, but realistically, it would probably be next summer before I actually commit to one. I was thinking maybe some kind of eotech, but I don't know.

    My question is: If I've got a good set of iron sights, do I really need an optic for me to perform any better?

    I'd like to hear from guys on both sides of the issue, so any input is appreciated.

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    Optics greatly increase the speed of getting on target(magnification or no magnification). I believe that you should learn your irons first and move up to an optic when you get the extra cash. Spend some time getting to know your rifle and your irons, but I suggest eventually adding an optic.
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    The VORTEX Strike Fire is only about $150, and comes with a mount...

    From the searches I did here, it appears to be a decent optic for the price...

    If you want a battery life that will outlast our current presidents term in office, or you want to play catch over the Grand Canyon, get a Aimpoint.

    Look on the forum here, sometimes there is good deals on used ones.

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    I have no idea what type of musket you have. Having said that my first issued weapon was an M16A1 rifle and I had no problem making hits out to 300M with the standard iron sights. I say learn the irons first and when you have some money saved up then get that optic that you want. Don't buy some Chinese knock off POS or other optic just because you feel you need one.



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    Not being able to afford one for a year allows you some good time to practice with your irons. you might not have the money, but consider taking a class with just your irons too, before you get the optic.

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    As others have stated, stay with irons until you can afford a decent optic.

    Do not cheap out and buy a Chinese airsoft knockoff......that's just wasting money you could have put towards the real deal.

    I'm a big proponent of learning irons first, then you can take advantage of a red dot.

    In low light, red dots rule, period.
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    Like a few have said; "Stick with the irons until you can afford a good optic." Optics are just faster and more accurate but anything can go wrong; Murphy's law and all that crap. I think because optics can fail, brings up the importance of learning irons.

    With all that said; look around for deals, I won't get into the Aimpoint vs EOTech debate. I got my EOTech 517 at Cabela's for $429 they have the 512 for $409. I am sure there maybe killer deals on the internet for both Aimpoint and EOTech. You can also look around for a used Aimpoint or EOTech.
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    i love iron sights, but for me anything over 100 yards becomes work using them. i bought an eotech because i wanted a red dot for work. it's nice and i can easily have fun @ 200+ yards with it. so really it comes down to how you plan on using your rifle. a weekend plinker? iron sights are enough. precision target? at least a 1-3x scope.
    mine is used for weekend shooting and a patrol rifle with the possibility of cqb so the eotech was a must for me. it's hard to beat a good rear sight though. i have the troy folding on mine.

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    Iron sights have been killing people since before any of us were born. Nothing wrong with using irons only. One of my rifles is a bone stock, nothing added, carry handle 6920. I use it when I just want to work on irons and refresh my skills.

    A RDS will make you get on target faster, followup shots will be more accurate, and in low-light I feel damn near mandatory in this day in age.

    When it comes to optics buy cheap, buy twice. And to quickly touch on the EO v AP debate, you can get a used M2/M3 for mid $300+$100 or so for a good mount. Beats the shit out of an EO any day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SWATcop1911 View Post
    Iron sights have been killing people since before any of us were born. Nothing wrong with using irons only. One of my rifles is a bone stock, nothing added, carry handle 6920. I use it when I just want to work on irons and refresh my skills.

    A RDS will make you get on target faster, followup shots will be more accurate, and in low-light I feel damn near mandatory in this day in age.

    When it comes to optics buy cheap, buy twice. And to quickly touch on the EO v AP debate, you can get a used M2/M3 for mid $300+$100 or so for a good mount. Beats the shit out of an EO any day.
    Well said
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