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    Since you don't have the funds for an optic at this time, in the meantime, utilize the time to become competent with iron sights as well as doing research on the optics that will suit your needs. There are many different optics available for different situations. Keep in mind, optics can fail for a variety of reason(s) and you will end up utilizing your iron sight. As you mentioned you have limited fund, choose wisely, buy quality and buy once as you do get what you pay for.

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    Great stuff guys, thanks! I guess I'm on the right track already.

    Now for another question. If I'm going to be optic-less for a while now, should I bother to invest in some night sight retrofits for my irons? I've been using just a detachable carry handle so far and I just got my hands on an LMT rear buis; they are basically the same thing anyways and from my limited experience thus far, low light shooting is tough (it gets dark fast here in the woods) so night sights might not be such a bad idea.

    I've got a pretty good selection with meprolight and ameriglo from where I work ( http://www.topgunsupply.com/ameriglo...peep-rear.html and http://www.topgunsupply.com/meprolig...ear-ar-15.html ), but on the other hand, it's $$$ that could be put towards a good optic. Anyone have any experience with night sights on an AR?

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    There are are back-up tritium front sights on the HD carbines at my house. IME , the tritium rears are a waste of time and money , but the glow dot or bar fronts are worthwhile. Even with Aimpoints as primaries , I still like to keep a night front sight back-up mounted. I installed a new XS stripe last week because the older Trig was getting dim.
    I suggest looking at several different brands/types to see which work best for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bread is People View Post
    Great stuff guys, thanks! I guess I'm on the right track already.

    Now for another question. If I'm going to be optic-less for a while now, should I bother to invest in some night sight retrofits for my irons? I've been using just a detachable carry handle so far and I just got my hands on an LMT rear buis; they are basically the same thing anyways and from my limited experience thus far, low light shooting is tough (it gets dark fast here in the woods) so night sights might not be such a bad idea.

    I've got a pretty good selection with meprolight and ameriglo from where I work ( http://www.topgunsupply.com/ameriglo...peep-rear.html and http://www.topgunsupply.com/meprolig...ear-ar-15.html ), but on the other hand, it's $$$ that could be put towards a good optic. Anyone have any experience with night sights on an AR?
    Save the cabbage for the optic! You'll have enough before you know it if you don't fritter it away on other junk!

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    I'm also saving up to buy a quality optic. I'm going to be patient this time. I'd rather buy one and get it right the first time.

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    As others have said, save your money instead of buying junk. I was in the same boat as you, and just found an amazing deal on an M2.

    I may have missed it, but do you have a dedicated light for your carbine? If you have $100 burning a hole in your pocket, get a Surefire package from Grant. It will help your low-light issues, and you will eventually buy one anyways.

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    I have a jar with "Aimpoint" written on it.I drop money in it every pay day ,sometimes its just change but it adds up.think of it this way the first thing the Military does in BRM is train you on the Irons.then later comes the RDS.so just train with the Irons until you save the Money Buy a good sight that will fit the task you want your rifle for.use the time you have saving to read up on which sight will be best for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bread is People View Post
    Great stuff guys, thanks! I guess I'm on the right track already.

    Now for another question. If I'm going to be optic-less for a while now, should I bother to invest in some night sight retrofits for my irons? I've been using just a detachable carry handle so far and I just got my hands on an LMT rear buis; they are basically the same thing anyways and from my limited experience thus far, low light shooting is tough (it gets dark fast here in the woods) so night sights might not be such a bad idea.

    I've got a pretty good selection with meprolight and ameriglo from where I work ( http://www.topgunsupply.com/ameriglo...peep-rear.html and http://www.topgunsupply.com/meprolig...ear-ar-15.html ), but on the other hand, it's $$$ that could be put towards a good optic. Anyone have any experience with night sights on an AR?
    IMHO the tritium irons for the AR are just a good way of parting money from someone who has to have the best wiz-bang shit on their gun. Are they completely worthless, no, but just damn near.

    Here's a test I have people do that say they "need" the tritium on their rifles. Take them to the range when its low-light/ no-light (you can even do this in your house using dryfire techniques). Have them get at bad breath HD distances to 15 yards. Utilizing a good white light your are able to easily see the outline of your irons in the light as you focus on your front sight and target. Once the target is illuminated you can't even see the tritium anyways, same as on a handgun with a weapon mounted light.

    Then there are people that say "What if I don't want to give away my position with light before I take a shot." I say if you are taking a shot where you have not properly identified your target as a threat by illumination, then you are a ****ing idiot.

    Just my .02
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    Only hits count......you can not miss fast enough to catch up

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    You'd be surprised how accurate iron sights can be if you learn to use them properly. However, they'll never match the speed of a high quality optical sight.

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    My 2 cents worth. As many have said, get comfortable with your iron sights first. You have time to figure out which optiv=cs you need.

    Something to keep in mind, my daughter has been having no problems hitting targets for score from 600 yards using the 6920.

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