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    I feel the need to point out that the increased speed provided by using an RDS is fractions of a second, not like 1.7 seconds to hit with an Aimpoint and 10 seconds to hit with iron sights. It can certainly make a difference, but, as others have stated, becoming proficient with irons first is a wise move.

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    Save your money for a real Acog. I got a new TA31RCO-M4CP last week for $900. You just got to wait for the good deals.

    But if your money is tight and wanted a optic for cheap then get a Primary Arms M3 clone with a 5X magnify for $200. Like the Votex sight, they are well design and held zero even after many rounds fired. Chinese made but not a POS.

    Link: http://www.primaryarms.com/product.s...5&productId=66

    This is what I was able to do with this sight today(18 rounds) after firing 200.



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    Save the $$$ you would spend on the chinese shit and the tritium sights and you've got a used M2/M3 and a Larue/ADM mount. There was one for sale here for about $350.

    Why get something "until you have the money to buy what you want."

    Just use the irons. Chinese shit stays on airsoft and TOS DPMS!
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    As others have said, save the money until you're ready for the optic that you want. Don't buy cheap unless you want it to perform cheap.

    Until then, learn your zero with your point of aim/point of impact and the rise/fall of your round at distances closer to your target than your zero distance and beyond your zero distance.

    The RDS does add some advantages, especially in low light, but as mentioned if you don't ID your target then you don't have a need to press the trigger.

    I am one of the ones that enjoys working out with iron sights and enjoy them very much.

    I have a Springfield SOCOM 16 that came with a tritium front dot and that's the only reason I have the sight - because it came with it. I wouldn't spend the money on one personally.
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    Practice with your irons first. Then save your pennies and buy either an Aimpoint or ACOG.

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    As SAWTcop1911 pointed out earlier, the 0-2 sight and a white light are a viable solution to close-range work. In fact, using the white-light will generally make the tritium irrelevant, as you will have a stark contrast between the front-lit irons and the illuminated target.

    This solution does not work all that well if shooting at distances past about 50 to 100 meters (depending on light), and is a bit of a tactical error. In these situations the tritium sights will enable more efficient sight alignment, however, sight picture and target ID will be quite difficult.

    People get wound up in RDSs thinking that they enable some huge "speed" increase. There are some very distinct benefits in a quality RDS over irons, but flat-range, daylight, low-stress, conventional employment times will not be all that drastic in difference. This is not at all to say that irons are just as good as a RDS, but rather that their real benefit lies elsewhere.

    If you are proficient with irons, you will understand the benefits of the quality RDS when you switch over.
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    For those that may have missed it, let me reiterate. DO NOT BUY CHINESE KNOCK OFF BULLSHIT. For one thing they are ripping off the hard work and R/D that companies put into building a quality product. Second they may work but at some point they will fail. Save your money and buy a quality optic.



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    Agree with the above that say don't bother with the Chinese crap. An Aimpoint C3 in Aimpoint mount is $450+/-. Buy a cheap knockoff and you'll only be setting yourself backwards since eventually you'll wind up with no money AND no optic, and have to start saving from scratch again.

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    I like Tritium fronts , but the mounted light would be ( and has been ) the first thing that I would get on a limited budget.
    I have two lights mounted on my personal carbine -- which might help to clarify my position on white light.


    ETA: And a mounted light is not a substitute for a hand held.
    Last edited by A-Bear680; 07-13-09 at 07:45. Reason: Clarity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mute View Post
    You'd be surprised how accurate iron sights can be if you learn to use them properly. However, they'll never match the speed of a high quality optical sight.
    This pretty much sums it up.

    I too started life as a young Marine, way back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, and the issued rifle was an M16A1. I learned how to use the sights.

    Please listen to those who tell you to save until you get the quality optic you want, and not to waste time and money on cheap Chinese knock-offs. The guy with an "Aimpoint Jar" is on the right track. He'll have his aimpoint before he knows it, without having to take a hit on a credit card.

    As for putting trittium sights on, well, to each his own, but I don't. My personal carbine is used for home defense, and occasionally for self defense going to and from work as an LEO (when I find that I have managed to piss off some of our "Customers").

    I wanted a white light on my gun to ID the threat, especially for HD, as I have a family. I mounted a Surefire G2L light on the side of the front sight base using a Midwest Industries FSB rail mount. I have found that the light illuminates the front sight base enough to get a clear sight picture w/o going to trittium.

    Try it some time. Take your empty carbine and hold/rubber band, ect. a small light such as a G2 to the front sight base. Go into a dark room and shoulder the carbine, then activate the light.

    Good Luck
    Last edited by Beat Trash; 07-13-09 at 10:43.

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